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hey everybody welcome back to another

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episode of uap studies podcast uh we've

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been interviewing a lot of people lately

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from the tv world uh television programs

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things like that and we wanted to get

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some perspective on is there any

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infighting i mean there's competition

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money involved in this

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do these guys all get along or are they

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just fighting with each other so wanted

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to know about that also uh this

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gentleman has had some very interesting

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perspectives on some famous sighting

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cases uh so much to the point that

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there's more to it than we think even

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though it's old information uh and we

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even dive into things uh hopefully about

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um poltergeist demons high strangeness

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that seems to be more of a reoccurring

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theme more and more all the time so

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today's guest is a 20-year veteran at

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this very well-spoken big credentials

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behind um

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are you excited or what man i'm i'm

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really excited it's gonna be a great

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episode i'm really pumped so let's get

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[Music]

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welcome back to uap studies for another

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amazing episode i am louis borges

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joining me as always my good friend and

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co-host jason gilman how's it going my

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man it's going really well buddy like

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you always say any sunday we get to chat

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about ufos and weird phenomenon is a

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good day so absolutely easy to get

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jacked up and uh we're glad to be back i

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mean we're coming on almost 100 episodes

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this is episode 93 i think we're booked

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i think we have another six booked uh

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and then we have a big hundredth uh

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anniversary 100th episode anniversary

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special coming up planned so maybe we'll

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wear some tuxedos do some champagne or

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something some fancy something fancy

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yeah yeah so our guest today is a very

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well-known figure we got a lot of good

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feedback on facebook people were loving

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and uh liking the uh coming soon to uap

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studies so we have a former mufon

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multi-state director an author a

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researcher

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and just an overall great guy well

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spoken so we want to welcome the show mr

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john venturi

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thank you thanks for having me on thanks

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for being on you're very well known and

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uh before we get into you know your work

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and sort of uh um you know popular cases

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and things like that tell us a little

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bit about yourself uh what got you into

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ufos and how that led into mufon and

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that type of thing yeah well you know

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about myself i i was a um executive at

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and in the area of security and public

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affairs and obviously nobody knew

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i was doing ufo stuff

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while i was there but let me let me let

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me back up and how i got started though

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differently than almost anybody i've

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ever talked to

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is i had no interest in ufos at all i

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was 41 when i got involved in this field

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i was a

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collector of famous monsters of filmland

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you know fate magazine

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you know i've got horricons comic-cons i

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knew nothing about ufos and had no

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interest at all in them and then in 95

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ups where i was working sent me on an

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18-month assignment all around the

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country

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so um no actually it was i had to go

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even earlier than that

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um it was actually i got divorced and

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that gave me the time

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to to look into some other things so

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that's when i i actually you know i did

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that assignment around the country in in

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95 and 6 and i started writing my first

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book which was uh it was about the mayan

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calendar and and oh and prophecies and

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end time prophecies and all of that so

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uh i'm writing that and

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i keep coming across

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different cultures talking about you

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know uh star people people on flying

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shields and of course i'm watching the

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x-files because i love everything sci-fi

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and horror and sightings was actually

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one of my more favorite shows you know

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than the x-files i said you know i'm

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going to join this mufon thing you know

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and so as i joined mufon in 98 i knew

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nothing about ufos so i'm doing that for

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a couple of years and beyond switch i

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kind of forgot i was a mufon field

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investigator because nobody ever sent me

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any cases for

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probably three years you know so i

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complained to james carry on

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you know and i said you know what's

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going on here i don't get any cases at

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all and he says well you want to be a

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state section director he gave me a

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bunch of counties around pittsburgh i

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said okay and uh it wasn't uh i don't

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know a month later he goes how about i

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guess he looked at my profile hit a

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security you know a multi-state security

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director i had three states pennsylvania

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west virginia and virginia because i

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kind of played along with mufa

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you know the way they have multi-state

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directors and uh you know and he said

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hey do you want to be the state director

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you know and i'm not trying to throw the

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previous director under the bus and i

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said yeah and uh so i took over uh mufon

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pennsylvania and west virginia

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then they gave me five more states they

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gave me delaware massachusetts

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i can't remember new hampshire rhode

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island uh vermont i had seven states

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oh yeah but you know what i demonstrated

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same thing at work is that

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and i know how to manage big groups a

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lot of people that type of stuff is i

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got it all done i mean we were over 95

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completed on all our cases i got

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everything caught up

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and you find other people you don't you

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can't do it yourself obviously if i

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found the best people in each of those

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states and i made them the you know

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assistant state director and and from

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just promoted people that and then not

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hold them accountable but just give them

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the cases and follow up and we got it

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done and you know i tell you the

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pennsylvania chapter uh a few years ago

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it was up there in the top five all the

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time you know and it was it was a great

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experience but um

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you know and i want to give you a little

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more background then i'm going to come

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into this so you know the rest of my my

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background is you know i've

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i've written 10 books on five different

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subjects they're not all ufos i think

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five of them was ufos and i i started

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getting involved politically uh in the

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county here ranford county commissioner

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head of the lo of the county party

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and i ran for governor this year

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last year i campaigned for eight months

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and i can tell you

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that the newspapers deliberately

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slandered me

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that i put my press release out you know

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that i'm running for governor they

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change it

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local resident former head of a ufo

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organization running for governor i

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didn't say a word about ufos i honestly

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trying to convince the pennsylvania

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media that mufon was an unpaid hobby i

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never got paid i used it for research it

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was an interest obviously but research

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to write those five books and you know

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what they were deliberately

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playing me as though i had no chance to

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win well

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guess what i put the best plan together

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of any of the candidates and they

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my bullet points right i participated in

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four debates i won all four i beat the

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other candidates so bad in the second

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and third debate when we got to the

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fourth debate

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and there were 12 of us

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only four showed up and two left before

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the debate started now think about that

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these are the guys that want to be

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governor of the state they didn't want

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to debate me but

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my point being that you know the you

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even though you think disclosure's

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coming and you know you got dan bongino

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and tucker and and rubio and jillian all

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these congress people talking about this

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does not enhance you

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if you want to get into a local race and

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stuff and they know about this they're

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going to use it to hurt you and use it

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against you and it really took the first

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five months before they stopped talking

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about former head of a ufo organization

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and actually started talking about my

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platform and my resume i was the only

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executive so so that's how i got you

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know really that's the background that's

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how i get started and all of that and

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so i joined move on in 98

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after i was doing my research on that

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book and uh you know i guess i became

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the state director it was

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probably beginning of 07 is when i

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became the state director and then we

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get this huge

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uh ufo wave in 08.

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and that was like boy you talked about

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you know it just propelled us into the

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media and uh you know do you want me to

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tell you about that and yeah please yeah

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absolutely yeah so uh you know i'm

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getting i'm you know i i read every

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report obviously

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and then i send it to the other uh you

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know state section directors or

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assistant directors so i start seeing

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here in pennsylvania

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uh some cases and somebody sent this one

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to me when they when it all started but

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to put it in order there were some cases

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coming out of lake erie of objects

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coming out of lake erie in east lake

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ohio ohio's not my area but as they

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started showing up here that's what i'm

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saying that per ohio sent me the

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information um

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and you follow it south it's it's it's

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in ohio it's coming down route 79s we're

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getting cases it's in wheeling west

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virginia then it's across the state like

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whatever's coming out is then turning

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and going across the straight

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you know i got some cases that we got

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the case in wheeling and

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like 20 minutes later there's a sighting

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in state college penn state right same

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object same description then it's coming

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across almost following some of them

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following the turnpike and they're

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coming out in philadelphia and bucks

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county so

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it it's probably

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may april into may now this is a state

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that averages 98 cases a year let's say

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under 100.

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254 cases in a three-month period i mean

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it was incredible the amount of

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sightings and i would say 70 of them was

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in the bucks county philadelphia area

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so so you know we're working this and at

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the time you know we're building the

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chapter up and and you know we may have

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had

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20 field investigators at the time and

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bob gardner was in bucks county and he

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he must have had a hundred cases himself

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so uh you know you know we're working

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this but there's we then we move on

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headquarters calls and says we're doing

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a tv show and james carrion called me

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and he said we got two cases one in

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north carolina one in uh mexico

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and we need one more case and yours is

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becoming big i said all right we'll do

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that so

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i wouldn't suggest bringing the media in

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in the middle of an investigation you

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want to get that stuff done first

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but they were hugely um helpful

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because you know

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we try to do stuff and you got to pay

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for it yourself you know i'm in

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pittsburgh so i'm driving to philly

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that's 300 miles and the tolls in this

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state are the second highest in the

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country so you they're not doing any

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favors when you go across space you know

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and but they paid for everything so it

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turned out really good so they said give

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us your two best cases and you may have

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seen these they were on i came up to

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canada to for discovery science the

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close encounters showed i was airing out

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of toronto in canada we filmed up there

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a couple of years later but

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this was the discovery channel and a new

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show called ufos over earth

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so uh they came in town and i gave them

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the two cases and it was the denise case

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the blonde lady that had the uh

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the triangular craft and it was dropping

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these metallic

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sprinkles into her tree in the backyard

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they were probes i don't know if you

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remember the case or not so that one and

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then we had cliff who was a retired

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contractor and you know it's a retired

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guy living in i don't know it's like a 4

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million 5 million home and stuff and

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he's saying john i've had

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two in particular encounters where i see

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a mother ship this thing is the size of

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an aircraft carrier it as big as a

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football field

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slowly

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uh coming in the sky

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and in both cases with denise and cliff

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the dog starts barking and woke them up

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at like 3 4 in the morning and that's

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where they go to see what's what's going

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on what's a dog so upset about and uh so

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in cliff's case he sees this mothership

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and um that was in april then in may it

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comes back and they go outside him and

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his wife and there's a heat lightning

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storm so the lightning is like lighting

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up the sky and he sees a six-sided craft

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and it's gigantic it's taking up you

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know two-thirds of the sky

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and it looks like it's a docking station

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where you got six triangular like almost

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shaped like pizza you know they were

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long you know docked in in a circle

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there and he can see through the seams

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when the lightning flashes he can see

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through the seams of it you know

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and uh and then you know it seemed to

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then take off slowly he goes john i

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don't know how it's staying up in the

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sky it's moving 20 miles an hour and it

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leaves

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towards the northeast so bob gardner

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goes to the philadelphia airport and uh

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they clear him and they let him in and

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he's he he says what do you have at this

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time and they said we had a large object

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with no transponder on the screen and it

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it went off to the northeast it matched

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exactly what cliff said

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then the thing was

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how do we get the radar and at the same

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time this discovery channel's with us

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they're making all these contacts and

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trying to get the radar and all of that

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and uh

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you know what's funny is we filmed the

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denise episode and i'll tell you about

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that in a second we filmed it first

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and at the cliff uh episode uh no excuse

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me that was all done at the same time

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with discovery i'll tell you about ufo

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hunters next

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we did denise first and then cliff but

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uh

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so um

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so that all matched up we couldn't get

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by the time discovery filming ended for

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that show we were in the process of i

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was filing foyers trying to get them in

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writing to say what they have and the

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foyers were coming back it was beyond

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the record retention

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period and they had nothing so i said

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what's going on here you know my guy

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went up to the tower and they showed it

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to him and they won't give him any any

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evidence now the denise case

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uh she

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there was about four times she went out

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saw a triangular craft and it had a

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light on each of the three sides

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and one time it came close to the house

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and it dropped these metallic sprinkles

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into her tree she said it looked like

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christmas it was the tree was lit up

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right and then they just got like a

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magnet they got pulled back up and i i

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would say they were probes is what they

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were they they got pulled back up into

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the tree so she tells us and this is

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where uh discovery channel was helpful

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they pay for the labs to analyze it so

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bob

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cuts the leaves some leaves off the tree

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then he takes other samples from other

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trees across the street the other corner

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of the uh backyard and we send it to the

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labs well

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uh two couple of different lamps the one

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lab comes back and says the leaves were

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subject to

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uh high heat or radiation

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just her tree not the others right and

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and it

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that produces a natural enzyme called

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anthrocyanide

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so here we got trace evidence right yeah

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um

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then we we sent it to uh another lab she

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found she found something on the leaves

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and and and

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that one turned out to be bird urine

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so

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but linda how i got her involved and she

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was saying this this lines up with a

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case she had in nevada but it it didn't

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turn out to be the the phosphorus on it

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didn't turn out to be what what we uh

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we thought it would be so then the third

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lab looks at it and they find high

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levels of boron

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on the leaves

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you know and and i said well you know

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boron you know isn't boric acid and

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fertilizer and they said

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boric we would have checked we checked

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for boric acid it's not boric acid it's

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boron so i look up what's boron used in

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it's used in stealth fighters

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it's used to line in paints and enamels

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in nuclear reactors what is this doing

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on a tree so i asked i asked denise

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in your spice cabinet do you have boron

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of course you had no idea what i was

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talking about she said what the borrowed

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what's that but you know but we had all

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this trace evidence on that tree and um

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so we got what we needed but you know

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discovery channel paid for those labs

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and all of that so you know that's the

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hard thing with mufon is like if we

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didn't have their help

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you know i would have had the story but

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you know maybe we would have gone to a

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local college then and asked them to

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look at the leaves i don't think we

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would have had what we had but uh yeah

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so that show ended and like i said we

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had so many cases there uh that we

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investigated so it's like a couple of

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months later now bill burns contacts me

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and he lives close by he's only 10 miles

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so he's following this in bucks county

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and he goes john we need you for a ufo

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and an uh episode on ufo hunters i said

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yes my favorite show so uh

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so yeah i go out there and we meet him

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there and we do the denise case and he

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does some different things gets this uh

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a um a police sergeant and they

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and they do sketches they interview all

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the people and all the sketches were the

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same that type of stuff so so he took a

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little different angle but then the

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interesting thing is you know i'm still

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trying to get the uh foyer reports from

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the faa and they're they're lying to me

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saying they don't have anything right

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so

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i get a call from the

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we did the denise episode we're still

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filming it i'm driving down the turnpike

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to finish up the denise episode three

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weeks later we're going to do cliff

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and i get a call from the philly tower

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saying you can come up to the tower and

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interview us so i called the producer of

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the show uh john greenwald was that was

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the producer and he goes wait a minute

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let me call history and they said no you

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can't we're doing this one you can't

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break off and start the second one we're

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going to do that in three weeks so i

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call that producer kevin berry and he

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goes i'll get back to you it's about a

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half hour later he calls back he goes

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john i got bad news the new york faa

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said we're not allowed up to the philly

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tower so they squashed it

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i'm driving i'm probably at harrisburg

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at that point and i'm moving on to

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philly i get another call 20 minutes

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later oops sorry john the episode's been

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canceled

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the episode was cancelled and that's the

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one that we had radar evidence for right

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but i i keep pursuing this

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because i said you know what the woman

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at the tower there was helpful

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in charge the supervisor whatever she

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was so i keep talking to her and i find

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out from mufon glenn schultz i don't

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even know if he's still with us or not

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he tells me the procedure on the radar

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so i tell her you got it it's in a disc

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it's in the file drawer and you know if

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you ran an efficient office you would be

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able to you have it it's not maybe right

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out in front of you but you file it

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right

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so we get into it she mails me the disc

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with the radar that the faa is saying

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they don't have right wow with a note

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that says uh we run an official office

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and and i can't remember the exact

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wording but here's the radar so i take

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it i send it to glenn schultz he's able

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to pull i think eight screens six or

534
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eight screens and you have the the green

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is the objects without a transponder and

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there it is it's on the screen right so

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we we've we finally got it so uh

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so then uh yeah in her notes says we run

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an efficient office and all that and all

540
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of that and uh but glenn said that the

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the disc was was

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corrupt they taped over it over it

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before they sent us the disk now think

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about that and her next note to me says

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wow i'm surprised you were able to get

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anything off that screen

547
00:22:15,909 --> 00:22:13,840
why would you say that when i told you i

548
00:22:18,230 --> 00:22:15,919
was messing with you man yeah oh they

549
00:22:20,950 --> 00:22:18,240
didn't think we could pull it is what it

550
00:22:22,149 --> 00:22:20,960
was so i said wow what a reaction and i

551
00:22:24,470 --> 00:22:22,159
have all of that and i give a

552
00:22:26,870 --> 00:22:24,480
presentation on it i kept it i put it in

553
00:22:28,390 --> 00:22:26,880
my powerpoint you know and so you sent

554
00:22:30,310 --> 00:22:28,400
me to this but you didn't expect me to

555
00:22:32,789 --> 00:22:30,320
get anything and when i got the the

556
00:22:34,230 --> 00:22:32,799
slides you you said wow i'm surprised

557
00:22:36,070 --> 00:22:34,240
you were able to pull anything off of

558
00:22:38,710 --> 00:22:36,080
that well you copied over it thinking

559
00:22:41,029 --> 00:22:38,720
you crushed it you know and uh and they

560
00:22:43,350 --> 00:22:41,039
removed some columns of information and

561
00:22:45,190 --> 00:22:43,360
all of that but uh so i got all of those

562
00:22:47,190 --> 00:22:45,200
uh foyer

563
00:22:48,870 --> 00:22:47,200
requests i got the discs i got

564
00:22:51,190 --> 00:22:48,880
everything to prove that the radar

565
00:22:53,669 --> 00:22:51,200
matched up and in the denise case you

566
00:22:56,070 --> 00:22:53,679
know we were able to prove that uh she

567
00:22:59,029 --> 00:22:56,080
had trace evidence on that and you know

568
00:23:01,750 --> 00:22:59,039
that was so cool to get started in mufon

569
00:23:03,669 --> 00:23:01,760
be the state director and a year later

570
00:23:05,750 --> 00:23:03,679
you're in you're on the discovery

571
00:23:07,909 --> 00:23:05,760
channel and you know the producer sarah

572
00:23:10,070 --> 00:23:07,919
kozak we met with her and she goes john

573
00:23:12,630 --> 00:23:10,080
we're going international with this show

574
00:23:14,710 --> 00:23:12,640
and we're going to uh you know we may

575
00:23:15,750 --> 00:23:14,720
need you and i said i got look i got

576
00:23:18,230 --> 00:23:15,760
like uh

577
00:23:20,149 --> 00:23:18,240
five years to retire and i got six weeks

578
00:23:22,310 --> 00:23:20,159
vacation and i'm not quitting my job you

579
00:23:24,470 --> 00:23:22,320
know but uh but you know it turned out

580
00:23:26,710 --> 00:23:24,480
that the three episodes aired on

581
00:23:29,270 --> 00:23:26,720
discovery

582
00:23:31,029 --> 00:23:29,280
and the way it was presented

583
00:23:33,430 --> 00:23:31,039
there was like

584
00:23:36,950 --> 00:23:33,440
almost like debunking

585
00:23:40,549 --> 00:23:36,960
uh you know like what what the producer

586
00:23:44,390 --> 00:23:40,559
of my episode did was bring a another

587
00:23:45,909 --> 00:23:44,400
botanist on and and dispute uh the the

588
00:23:49,029 --> 00:23:45,919
anthrocyanide

589
00:23:49,830 --> 00:23:49,039
the way the leaves had holes in them and

590
00:23:54,710 --> 00:23:49,840
and

591
00:23:56,950 --> 00:23:54,720
sides they weren't trying to prove that

592
00:23:58,470 --> 00:23:56,960
this was alien so it's like we're

593
00:24:00,549 --> 00:23:58,480
watching and i'm disappointed so why are

594
00:24:03,669 --> 00:24:00,559
they doing that why are they

595
00:24:06,070 --> 00:24:03,679
bringing the the skeptic in to say that

596
00:24:08,549 --> 00:24:06,080
this is not good and then there was the

597
00:24:09,990 --> 00:24:08,559
episode down in north carolina and the

598
00:24:12,149 --> 00:24:10,000
polygraph and the guy failed the

599
00:24:14,710 --> 00:24:12,159
polygraph so you know they do three

600
00:24:16,470 --> 00:24:14,720
episodes the third episode they air

601
00:24:18,390 --> 00:24:16,480
is um

602
00:24:20,230 --> 00:24:18,400
north carolina

603
00:24:21,909 --> 00:24:20,240
uh i can't think of the guy's name now

604
00:24:24,149 --> 00:24:21,919
and uh

605
00:24:25,750 --> 00:24:24,159
i think he uh excuse me that was the one

606
00:24:28,789 --> 00:24:25,760
he failed the polygraph the third

607
00:24:29,590 --> 00:24:28,799
episode was was uh mexico

608
00:24:31,269 --> 00:24:29,600
and

609
00:24:33,750 --> 00:24:31,279
it was

610
00:24:36,549 --> 00:24:33,760
carry on and then

611
00:24:39,430 --> 00:24:36,559
launching mylor balloons to see the

612
00:24:41,590 --> 00:24:39,440
reaction of the people and they're

613
00:24:43,430 --> 00:24:41,600
getting all kinds of ufo reports so it

614
00:24:47,350 --> 00:24:43,440
was a staged

615
00:24:50,149 --> 00:24:47,360
ufo and us in the field who who are true

616
00:24:51,430 --> 00:24:50,159
believers are watching the show saying

617
00:24:53,590 --> 00:24:51,440
what is this

618
00:24:55,669 --> 00:24:53,600
and they got so many complaints that you

619
00:24:57,750 --> 00:24:55,679
didn't do the show right why did you do

620
00:25:00,230 --> 00:24:57,760
it this way and you know and i spoke to

621
00:25:02,630 --> 00:25:00,240
the camera guy the producer the the

622
00:25:05,669 --> 00:25:02,640
director i would say uh

623
00:25:07,909 --> 00:25:05,679
and i i said to him do you believe ufos

624
00:25:09,750 --> 00:25:07,919
are real and he said no

625
00:25:12,310 --> 00:25:09,760
so i mean i got my answer and robert

626
00:25:14,310 --> 00:25:12,320
wise was his name bob weiss he did

627
00:25:16,470 --> 00:25:14,320
unsolved mysteries i mean he was a big

628
00:25:19,190 --> 00:25:16,480
name producer director you know he did

629
00:25:21,029 --> 00:25:19,200
the unsolved mysteries show with robert

630
00:25:24,470 --> 00:25:21,039
stack and all of that you know so i said

631
00:25:27,350 --> 00:25:24,480
all right so that's why it was presented

632
00:25:29,990 --> 00:25:27,360
as both sides were presented it wasn't

633
00:25:32,549 --> 00:25:30,000
presented like this was factual but you

634
00:25:34,630 --> 00:25:32,559
know then i went on to toronto we did i

635
00:25:38,710 --> 00:25:34,640
think three episodes close encounters i

636
00:25:41,110 --> 00:25:38,720
did the denise episode on four shows and

637
00:25:44,470 --> 00:25:41,120
then i get a call in 2012

638
00:25:46,310 --> 00:25:44,480
weeks before i ret i'm retiring so now i

639
00:25:48,230 --> 00:25:46,320
figure i'm emboldened i can say anything

640
00:25:49,510 --> 00:25:48,240
i want you know so

641
00:25:51,830 --> 00:25:49,520
because i'm retiring in a couple of

642
00:25:54,230 --> 00:25:51,840
weeks they fly me to new york city and

643
00:25:55,110 --> 00:25:54,240
you know i grew up in new york i grew up

644
00:25:56,789 --> 00:25:55,120
in

645
00:25:59,190 --> 00:25:56,799
bronx brooklyn queens but i knew

646
00:26:01,430 --> 00:25:59,200
manhattan so they take me in there and

647
00:26:03,110 --> 00:26:01,440
i'm on the anderson cooper show now but

648
00:26:05,190 --> 00:26:03,120
you know i said it's going to be cool

649
00:26:07,029 --> 00:26:05,200
and denise is there

650
00:26:09,909 --> 00:26:07,039
and then there's two other girls from

651
00:26:12,630 --> 00:26:09,919
kentucky who were abducted in a totally

652
00:26:15,430 --> 00:26:12,640
different case so i'm there to defend

653
00:26:19,190 --> 00:26:15,440
the three women and joe nicol is there

654
00:26:21,430 --> 00:26:19,200
the uh skeptic uh magazine skeptic on

655
00:26:23,269 --> 00:26:21,440
their board right and i didn't really

656
00:26:25,510 --> 00:26:23,279
know a lot about joe i know i had seen

657
00:26:27,590 --> 00:26:25,520
him before but he is the like the main

658
00:26:29,669 --> 00:26:27,600
skeptic that's used so they put me up

659
00:26:32,070 --> 00:26:29,679
against like the best which didn't

660
00:26:34,310 --> 00:26:32,080
matter because i i did very well against

661
00:26:36,549 --> 00:26:34,320
him and and i you know and they didn't

662
00:26:39,750 --> 00:26:36,559
even tell me this until i'm there but

663
00:26:41,590 --> 00:26:39,760
let me just digress one second

664
00:26:44,230 --> 00:26:41,600
in third grade

665
00:26:47,590 --> 00:26:44,240
in flushing queens

666
00:26:48,710 --> 00:26:47,600
i'm in third grade with fran drescher

667
00:26:49,669 --> 00:26:48,720
right

668
00:26:50,630 --> 00:26:49,679
so

669
00:26:52,710 --> 00:26:50,640
i am

670
00:26:55,669 --> 00:26:52,720
she was in your class yeah she was in my

671
00:26:58,070 --> 00:26:55,679
in flushing queens in third grade so i

672
00:27:00,549 --> 00:26:58,080
have no idea who the guest is that's on

673
00:27:01,909 --> 00:27:00,559
before me had 15 minutes right and i had

674
00:27:04,149 --> 00:27:01,919
45 minutes

675
00:27:06,630 --> 00:27:04,159
so they got me miked up and then now

676
00:27:08,549 --> 00:27:06,640
it's commercial get in there who walks

677
00:27:10,230 --> 00:27:08,559
out for andresha

678
00:27:12,310 --> 00:27:10,240
i said fran

679
00:27:14,070 --> 00:27:12,320
you know my mind like i was shocked and

680
00:27:15,909 --> 00:27:14,080
she goes oh hi how are you and she kept

681
00:27:18,710 --> 00:27:15,919
going and they're pushing me

682
00:27:20,149 --> 00:27:18,720
but she her and her husband had a ufo

683
00:27:21,909 --> 00:27:20,159
encounter they believed they were

684
00:27:24,710 --> 00:27:21,919
abducted took skin

685
00:27:27,750 --> 00:27:24,720
samples they got those divots and she's

686
00:27:30,230 --> 00:27:27,760
very outspoken in hindsight i should

687
00:27:32,310 --> 00:27:30,240
have said fran turn around i was in

688
00:27:34,230 --> 00:27:32,320
third grade with you in flushing come on

689
00:27:36,549 --> 00:27:34,240
back in i need your help with these

690
00:27:38,870 --> 00:27:36,559
girls we're going to defend them

691
00:27:40,149 --> 00:27:38,880
against the skeptic what a show that

692
00:27:41,590 --> 00:27:40,159
would have been but i didn't think to

693
00:27:43,990 --> 00:27:41,600
say it i didn't know what i was going to

694
00:27:46,470 --> 00:27:44,000
get into that again they were going to

695
00:27:49,110 --> 00:27:46,480
try to debunk the whole thing you know

696
00:27:50,950 --> 00:27:49,120
so um the weird the bad thing with the

697
00:27:53,430 --> 00:27:50,960
anderson cooper show was

698
00:27:54,549 --> 00:27:53,440
uh it was pre-taped

699
00:27:56,630 --> 00:27:54,559
and

700
00:27:58,710 --> 00:27:56,640
so they they aired i don't know 10 days

701
00:28:00,710 --> 00:27:58,720
later and i'm sitting there i remember i

702
00:28:03,430 --> 00:28:00,720
went home for lunch it was his daytime

703
00:28:06,070 --> 00:28:03,440
show and i'm watching it at home and i

704
00:28:08,149 --> 00:28:06,080
say wait a second i said this i said

705
00:28:10,950 --> 00:28:08,159
that they cut

706
00:28:14,470 --> 00:28:10,960
probably 70 percent of the good things i

707
00:28:16,230 --> 00:28:14,480
said the intelligent things um

708
00:28:18,710 --> 00:28:16,240
you know the audience laughed at joe

709
00:28:20,789 --> 00:28:18,720
nickel they cut the laughter out

710
00:28:22,789 --> 00:28:20,799
when i said something about defending

711
00:28:24,870 --> 00:28:22,799
these women who who show a lot of

712
00:28:27,269 --> 00:28:24,880
fortitude to come forward with their

713
00:28:28,389 --> 00:28:27,279
case they all applauded they cut that

714
00:28:30,630 --> 00:28:28,399
scene out

715
00:28:34,310 --> 00:28:30,640
you know i brought up uh

716
00:28:36,310 --> 00:28:34,320
the uh case in uh o'hare airport and uh

717
00:28:38,230 --> 00:28:36,320
you know the fact that the that was uh

718
00:28:40,070 --> 00:28:38,240
he you know he said it was a natural

719
00:28:41,909 --> 00:28:40,080
phenomenon where the ice comes through

720
00:28:45,430 --> 00:28:41,919
the clouds i said wait a second and

721
00:28:48,070 --> 00:28:45,440
hovers above hovers of the tower yeah

722
00:28:50,870 --> 00:28:48,080
but it was 56 degrees that day you can't

723
00:28:53,590 --> 00:28:50,880
have that ice falling through the clouds

724
00:28:56,149 --> 00:28:53,600
if it's 56 degrees you know they cut

725
00:28:57,590 --> 00:28:56,159
they cut so much out

726
00:28:59,990 --> 00:28:57,600
and you know it's kind of a shame

727
00:29:02,149 --> 00:29:00,000
because we held our own with joe nickel

728
00:29:03,750 --> 00:29:02,159
and you know hey i could say i was on

729
00:29:05,350 --> 00:29:03,760
the anderson cooper show but it wasn't

730
00:29:06,710 --> 00:29:05,360
the best experience

731
00:29:09,350 --> 00:29:06,720
that's the problem with these shows is

732
00:29:10,950 --> 00:29:09,360
that they they edit it to

733
00:29:12,470 --> 00:29:10,960
involve their narrative and it makes you

734
00:29:14,310 --> 00:29:12,480
look like the fool like even you were

735
00:29:15,590 --> 00:29:14,320
mentioning about running for governor

736
00:29:18,070 --> 00:29:15,600
all of a sudden they're mentioning oh

737
00:29:20,149 --> 00:29:18,080
this guy believes in aliens oh that's

738
00:29:22,149 --> 00:29:20,159
cue the music and make you look

739
00:29:23,750 --> 00:29:22,159
ridiculous when in fact there's probably

740
00:29:25,350 --> 00:29:23,760
something actually there we're not

741
00:29:27,669 --> 00:29:25,360
wasting our time which is absolutely

742
00:29:29,990 --> 00:29:27,679
ahead of the curve right so every yeah

743
00:29:32,310 --> 00:29:30,000
we were way ahead of the curve and every

744
00:29:33,750 --> 00:29:32,320
i never questioned the witness well

745
00:29:37,190 --> 00:29:33,760
i'll take that back i was head of

746
00:29:39,190 --> 00:29:37,200
security i was trained in uh body

747
00:29:41,590 --> 00:29:39,200
language behavioral analysis

748
00:29:43,510 --> 00:29:41,600
interviewing i read your body as i'm

749
00:29:45,750 --> 00:29:43,520
questioning you to see if you're getting

750
00:29:48,549 --> 00:29:45,760
defensive that type of stuff but and

751
00:29:51,190 --> 00:29:48,559
we're able to prove maybe you know five

752
00:29:53,190 --> 00:29:51,200
six eight percent or made up and the

753
00:29:55,669 --> 00:29:53,200
best way on an interview is they're

754
00:29:57,510 --> 00:29:55,679
describing what happened and you ask

755
00:29:59,510 --> 00:29:57,520
them what happened next what happened

756
00:30:01,430 --> 00:29:59,520
next if all of a sudden they can't

757
00:30:03,029 --> 00:30:01,440
remember and you could see that they're

758
00:30:05,430 --> 00:30:03,039
making stuff up you know they're making

759
00:30:07,750 --> 00:30:05,440
it up you know but i would say you know

760
00:30:10,070 --> 00:30:07,760
on eight at least 80 of the cases they

761
00:30:12,149 --> 00:30:10,080
experienced what they experienced you

762
00:30:13,909 --> 00:30:12,159
know and like i said on our cases there

763
00:30:16,870 --> 00:30:13,919
in bucks county

764
00:30:18,789 --> 00:30:16,880
we got radar and and we have uh

765
00:30:20,950 --> 00:30:18,799
trace evidence and i got all the reports

766
00:30:23,590 --> 00:30:20,960
and a really good uh you know powerpoint

767
00:30:26,230 --> 00:30:23,600
to show step by step that that was those

768
00:30:27,750 --> 00:30:26,240
were two real cases

769
00:30:29,750 --> 00:30:27,760
and again you're also very well known

770
00:30:31,590 --> 00:30:29,760
for your appearances on hanger one the

771
00:30:33,510 --> 00:30:31,600
ufo files yeah that was a very good

772
00:30:35,590 --> 00:30:33,520
series and for those that don't know it

773
00:30:37,669 --> 00:30:35,600
was basically the mufon files and they

774
00:30:39,269 --> 00:30:37,679
would reenact these really popular cases

775
00:30:41,110 --> 00:30:39,279
so what we thought we would do at some

776
00:30:43,909 --> 00:30:41,120
point today is bring up some popular

777
00:30:45,510 --> 00:30:43,919
cases not to drone on about them forever

778
00:30:47,750 --> 00:30:45,520
everybody knows what they're about but

779
00:30:50,149 --> 00:30:47,760
just to get your opinion right and

780
00:30:52,710 --> 00:30:50,159
let me first comment on hanger one yeah

781
00:30:57,110 --> 00:30:52,720
yeah get into that the main thing with

782
00:30:59,190 --> 00:30:57,120
hanger one was that we had a case file

783
00:31:01,269 --> 00:30:59,200
for every one of those cases

784
00:31:04,310 --> 00:31:01,279
you know and this is totally different

785
00:31:06,549 --> 00:31:04,320
than ancient aliens right where you know

786
00:31:07,269 --> 00:31:06,559
to me that a lot of that stuff is you

787
00:31:09,669 --> 00:31:07,279
know

788
00:31:11,990 --> 00:31:09,679
supposition they're making stuff up you

789
00:31:13,750 --> 00:31:12,000
know they're substituting aliens for

790
00:31:15,110 --> 00:31:13,760
angels in the bible you know there's a

791
00:31:17,590 --> 00:31:15,120
lot of you can't prove anything that

792
00:31:20,789 --> 00:31:17,600
they say very little right but our we

793
00:31:23,029 --> 00:31:20,799
had a case file on every one of them and

794
00:31:27,029 --> 00:31:23,039
when and you got to remember the the way

795
00:31:29,830 --> 00:31:27,039
this thing flowed the ufo files were on

796
00:31:33,029 --> 00:31:29,840
for three years with bill burns right

797
00:31:34,950 --> 00:31:33,039
then it was ufo hunters maybe bill burns

798
00:31:36,950 --> 00:31:34,960
wasn't in that or made some appearances

799
00:31:39,590 --> 00:31:36,960
then three years of ufo hunters would

800
00:31:43,750 --> 00:31:39,600
bill burns right

801
00:31:45,350 --> 00:31:43,760
then ancient aliens came out in 2010 so

802
00:31:48,789 --> 00:31:45,360
it had already been three years of

803
00:31:52,310 --> 00:31:48,799
ancient aliens we were told if anger was

804
00:31:54,389 --> 00:31:52,320
successful we would then be the new show

805
00:31:57,430 --> 00:31:54,399
and ancient aliens is gone and the

806
00:31:59,430 --> 00:31:57,440
producer uh paul villa deloitte

807
00:32:01,590 --> 00:31:59,440
absolutely believed that and he kept

808
00:32:04,470 --> 00:32:01,600
saying it to us in seconds the second

809
00:32:06,870 --> 00:32:04,480
season this is the important season if

810
00:32:09,669 --> 00:32:06,880
we do well in the second season we get

811
00:32:11,110 --> 00:32:09,679
the third season and everybody gets paid

812
00:32:12,549 --> 00:32:11,120
properly

813
00:32:14,710 --> 00:32:12,559
which is one of the reasons they don't

814
00:32:17,110 --> 00:32:14,720
go 10 years with shows you know because

815
00:32:19,269 --> 00:32:17,120
you start paying big bucks to the people

816
00:32:22,389 --> 00:32:19,279
in it because they become celebrities so

817
00:32:24,389 --> 00:32:22,399
i said okay so i'm watching uh you know

818
00:32:28,149 --> 00:32:24,399
pulling up the ratings and stuff

819
00:32:29,990 --> 00:32:28,159
we're right we're averaging 1.5 1.5

820
00:32:32,230 --> 00:32:30,000
million viewers

821
00:32:34,389 --> 00:32:32,240
ancient aliens is barely breaking a

822
00:32:36,389 --> 00:32:34,399
million a lot of times under a million

823
00:32:38,630 --> 00:32:36,399
so we got them by a third

824
00:32:41,750 --> 00:32:38,640
and they're on at nine we're on a 10

825
00:32:43,830 --> 00:32:41,760
which is the tougher hour to draw i said

826
00:32:46,710 --> 00:32:43,840
we're in like flint you know

827
00:32:49,590 --> 00:32:46,720
so we we're done with season two and

828
00:32:51,110 --> 00:32:49,600
we're waiting to hear about season three

829
00:32:54,230 --> 00:32:51,120
and we got notified that they dropped

830
00:32:56,310 --> 00:32:54,240
tango one i said how's that possible

831
00:32:59,350 --> 00:32:56,320
you know we got a half a million more

832
00:33:01,990 --> 00:32:59,360
viewers put us on at nine put ancient

833
00:33:03,909 --> 00:33:02,000
aliens on at 10. and we would we would

834
00:33:06,630 --> 00:33:03,919
easily draw on over two million people

835
00:33:08,950 --> 00:33:06,640
because that was a good show and uh

836
00:33:11,669 --> 00:33:08,960
their answer was although you're drawing

837
00:33:15,509 --> 00:33:11,679
more the people that

838
00:33:17,509 --> 00:33:15,519
are watching your show are over 46 the

839
00:33:20,149 --> 00:33:17,519
people watching ancient aliens are under

840
00:33:22,549 --> 00:33:20,159
46 and marketing wise they spend more

841
00:33:25,669 --> 00:33:22,559
money so we're sticking with that

842
00:33:27,430 --> 00:33:25,679
because the commercials will pay more

843
00:33:30,149 --> 00:33:27,440
so that's what it was about this

844
00:33:33,029 --> 00:33:30,159
decision yeah yeah business but again if

845
00:33:35,029 --> 00:33:33,039
you had put us on at nine we would have

846
00:33:37,029 --> 00:33:35,039
got the younger people because you know

847
00:33:39,350 --> 00:33:37,039
at the time and even now i'm divorced

848
00:33:40,950 --> 00:33:39,360
i'm single 10 o'clock on a friday night

849
00:33:43,029 --> 00:33:40,960
i just want to head out

850
00:33:44,310 --> 00:33:43,039
so you know i don't but people were

851
00:33:46,149 --> 00:33:44,320
staying

852
00:33:47,750 --> 00:33:46,159
around to watch our show

853
00:33:50,950 --> 00:33:47,760
you know so i don't know that i thought

854
00:33:52,310 --> 00:33:50,960
that was kind of unfortunate and uh

855
00:33:54,070 --> 00:33:52,320
you know i really stopped watching

856
00:33:55,750 --> 00:33:54,080
ancient aliens when they said da vinci

857
00:33:57,110 --> 00:33:55,760
was an alien so

858
00:33:59,110 --> 00:33:57,120
and that's what i mean there's so many

859
00:34:01,430 --> 00:33:59,120
things in that show that i don't know

860
00:34:03,669 --> 00:34:01,440
season eight that was really the last

861
00:34:05,190 --> 00:34:03,679
season for me was season eight yeah that

862
00:34:07,590 --> 00:34:05,200
i just stopped watching it the vintage

863
00:34:10,629 --> 00:34:07,600
is an alien i said what

864
00:34:13,829 --> 00:34:10,639
did aliens create blocks yeah yeah yeah

865
00:34:16,550 --> 00:34:13,839
well you know what i used to do it at

866
00:34:19,030 --> 00:34:16,560
my conferences i run the three here in

867
00:34:21,349 --> 00:34:19,040
erie pittsburgh in philly and i used to

868
00:34:24,629 --> 00:34:21,359
make fun of giorgio a lot i would like

869
00:34:28,710 --> 00:34:24,639
take my glasses and say see this

870
00:34:31,349 --> 00:34:28,720
this could not have been made by humans

871
00:34:33,190 --> 00:34:31,359
this was made by aliens

872
00:34:34,950 --> 00:34:33,200
you know that's the issue with this

873
00:34:37,909 --> 00:34:34,960
field right everybody

874
00:34:39,510 --> 00:34:37,919
is crazy as the reach is even though we

875
00:34:41,430 --> 00:34:39,520
think we're based on more facts and

876
00:34:43,669 --> 00:34:41,440
we've read more legitimate things

877
00:34:46,149 --> 00:34:43,679
because there's no hard steadfast

878
00:34:49,270 --> 00:34:46,159
evidence that hasn't been dumbed down or

879
00:34:52,149 --> 00:34:49,280
censored or sequestered away

880
00:34:54,149 --> 00:34:52,159
nobody can really disprove anything so

881
00:34:56,629 --> 00:34:54,159
they get an equal plate at the table

882
00:34:58,310 --> 00:34:56,639
unfortunately in some cases and because

883
00:35:00,310 --> 00:34:58,320
there's grains of truth and a lot of it

884
00:35:02,710 --> 00:35:00,320
as well you can't throw the baby out

885
00:35:04,390 --> 00:35:02,720
with the bath water so you know we have

886
00:35:06,150 --> 00:35:04,400
our internal opinions we talk to a lot

887
00:35:08,470 --> 00:35:06,160
of people you know we see the world of

888
00:35:10,550 --> 00:35:08,480
commenting on ufo twitter and facebook

889
00:35:12,630 --> 00:35:10,560
and everything else so we kind of we

890
00:35:14,230 --> 00:35:12,640
think we know what's what but i mean you

891
00:35:15,750 --> 00:35:14,240
got guys like george knapp that used to

892
00:35:17,670 --> 00:35:15,760
think it was only this way and then

893
00:35:19,589 --> 00:35:17,680
humbly change their mind and say yeah

894
00:35:21,510 --> 00:35:19,599
i've been schooled i really didn't know

895
00:35:23,589 --> 00:35:21,520
anything let me let me create you more

896
00:35:26,150 --> 00:35:23,599
than now one more quick story before we

897
00:35:27,829 --> 00:35:26,160
get into some cases uh

898
00:35:30,230 --> 00:35:27,839
my friend out in minnesota and i can't

899
00:35:32,069 --> 00:35:30,240
think of his name now uh what kind of

900
00:35:33,670 --> 00:35:32,079
friend is that you don't even remember

901
00:35:36,470 --> 00:35:33,680
you know i haven't talked to these guys

902
00:35:39,190 --> 00:35:36,480
in a while i retired from the ufo field

903
00:35:41,670 --> 00:35:39,200
five years ago but yet uh everybody

904
00:35:44,470 --> 00:35:41,680
pulls me back in i'm on a radio show now

905
00:35:45,990 --> 00:35:44,480
uh every year tonight i'm here we didn't

906
00:35:47,829 --> 00:35:46,000
forget about you bro that's why you're

907
00:35:49,670 --> 00:35:47,839
here i wrote more books i still run the

908
00:35:52,150 --> 00:35:49,680
conferences for the pa chapter even

909
00:35:53,750 --> 00:35:52,160
though i retired but he he does the

910
00:35:54,950 --> 00:35:53,760
first uh

911
00:35:58,310 --> 00:35:54,960
ancient

912
00:36:00,790 --> 00:35:58,320
uh alien conference in the country and

913
00:36:03,349 --> 00:36:00,800
the history channel is there so the cast

914
00:36:04,870 --> 00:36:03,359
of ancient aliens is there in minnesota

915
00:36:06,390 --> 00:36:04,880
in 2012

916
00:36:08,470 --> 00:36:06,400
and

917
00:36:10,710 --> 00:36:08,480
i think myself

918
00:36:11,510 --> 00:36:10,720
and maybe one or two other people were

919
00:36:13,349 --> 00:36:11,520
not

920
00:36:16,150 --> 00:36:13,359
cast members but everybody was there

921
00:36:18,550 --> 00:36:16,160
except david childress uh georgiov and

922
00:36:20,150 --> 00:36:18,560
danican all of them are there the other

923
00:36:22,069 --> 00:36:20,160
guy i can't think of his name anymore

924
00:36:24,150 --> 00:36:22,079
the one that passed away he was like

925
00:36:25,750 --> 00:36:24,160
40-something and all of a sudden he got

926
00:36:28,390 --> 00:36:25,760
some uh

927
00:36:29,750 --> 00:36:28,400
glandular disease and he passed away i

928
00:36:31,190 --> 00:36:29,760
don't know if you remember the guy he

929
00:36:32,710 --> 00:36:31,200
kind of had a beard and almost like a

930
00:36:33,589 --> 00:36:32,720
french name but he had been on the show

931
00:36:36,630 --> 00:36:33,599
for

932
00:36:41,109 --> 00:36:38,870
yeah i i don't you know i wish i'm 40

933
00:36:43,030 --> 00:36:41,119
something oh god my memory was better

934
00:36:45,589 --> 00:36:43,040
but you know so i'm doing the show and i

935
00:36:47,589 --> 00:36:45,599
meet giorgio and of course i get a uh

936
00:36:49,030 --> 00:36:47,599
autograph from him even though at the

937
00:36:50,470 --> 00:36:49,040
time i had been i've been on the

938
00:36:52,150 --> 00:36:50,480
anderson cooper show i'd been on a

939
00:36:53,589 --> 00:36:52,160
couple of tv series so i get his

940
00:36:55,829 --> 00:36:53,599
autograph and i said hey i run these

941
00:36:57,990 --> 00:36:55,839
conferences in pittsburgh and philly

942
00:36:59,829 --> 00:36:58,000
primarily and we'd like to have you come

943
00:37:02,470 --> 00:36:59,839
he goes all right i'll i'll talk to you

944
00:37:04,550 --> 00:37:02,480
i'll i'll speak for you right so

945
00:37:08,150 --> 00:37:04,560
we're doing the conference and ian

946
00:37:10,870 --> 00:37:08,160
pundit is the uh narrator right and uh

947
00:37:13,109 --> 00:37:10,880
moderator and there was a couple of

948
00:37:15,190 --> 00:37:13,119
questions in a row that

949
00:37:18,790 --> 00:37:15,200
they you know people would ask

950
00:37:21,589 --> 00:37:18,800
ask giorgio you know order ian would ask

951
00:37:24,069 --> 00:37:21,599
and there was one with the those discs

952
00:37:26,390 --> 00:37:24,079
that were found in in china

953
00:37:28,950 --> 00:37:26,400
and georgio says nobody knows where they

954
00:37:30,069 --> 00:37:28,960
are right now so so ian says john what

955
00:37:31,910 --> 00:37:30,079
do you what do you think about that and

956
00:37:34,950 --> 00:37:31,920
i said wait a second those discs were

957
00:37:36,950 --> 00:37:34,960
taken to russia and in the grooves of

958
00:37:39,430 --> 00:37:36,960
the discs they found

959
00:37:40,950 --> 00:37:39,440
like information like you like almost

960
00:37:43,349 --> 00:37:40,960
you could play it on a victrola but

961
00:37:45,510 --> 00:37:43,359
there was information in those grooves

962
00:37:47,270 --> 00:37:45,520
so they're up in russia

963
00:37:49,190 --> 00:37:47,280
where giorgio then gets really annoyed

964
00:37:50,710 --> 00:37:49,200
and says well like i said nobody knows

965
00:37:52,390 --> 00:37:50,720
where they are right now so that

966
00:37:55,030 --> 00:37:52,400
happened on about three different

967
00:37:57,510 --> 00:37:55,040
questions that were asked right so after

968
00:37:59,750 --> 00:37:57,520
and this true story after the conference

969
00:38:01,190 --> 00:37:59,760
was done georgio came up to me and said

970
00:38:04,390 --> 00:38:01,200
i want to tell you something i will

971
00:38:07,030 --> 00:38:04,400
never ever do a conference for you

972
00:38:08,870 --> 00:38:07,040
i said okay and he never did he never

973
00:38:10,230 --> 00:38:08,880
came to our conference you know so do

974
00:38:12,069 --> 00:38:10,240
you think it's that people don't want

975
00:38:14,550 --> 00:38:12,079
their glass house shattered or they want

976
00:38:16,870 --> 00:38:14,560
to be the only opinion and don't uh

977
00:38:18,230 --> 00:38:16,880
don't add or don't cut me off is it an

978
00:38:20,950 --> 00:38:18,240
ego thing or what do you think that's

979
00:38:22,710 --> 00:38:20,960
from i've had everybody on i've had

980
00:38:24,630 --> 00:38:22,720
everybody at my conferences travis

981
00:38:25,750 --> 00:38:24,640
walton uh

982
00:38:27,990 --> 00:38:25,760
nick pope

983
00:38:29,670 --> 00:38:28,000
everybody in the field except for the

984
00:38:33,349 --> 00:38:29,680
ancient alien people

985
00:38:35,990 --> 00:38:33,359
and with him in particular it's ego

986
00:38:37,589 --> 00:38:36,000
it is the biggest he's like tom cruise

987
00:38:39,510 --> 00:38:37,599
ego i've never seen anything like it in

988
00:38:41,670 --> 00:38:39,520
a human being you know but

989
00:38:42,710 --> 00:38:41,680
and that's my opinion you know if you

990
00:38:45,270 --> 00:38:42,720
ask me

991
00:38:47,430 --> 00:38:45,280
most conferences i go to

992
00:38:49,109 --> 00:38:47,440
i don't charge a speaking fee i really

993
00:38:50,790 --> 00:38:49,119
don't you know if they offer me a couple

994
00:38:52,630 --> 00:38:50,800
hundred 100 or two i said all right you

995
00:38:54,710 --> 00:38:52,640
know i got to park my car i got to drive

996
00:38:57,589 --> 00:38:54,720
to the airport you know i've never asked

997
00:38:59,190 --> 00:38:57,599
more than 200 to speak anywhere

998
00:39:00,870 --> 00:38:59,200
and i base that on the sides of the

999
00:39:02,550 --> 00:39:00,880
conference you know there's a lot of

1000
00:39:04,310 --> 00:39:02,560
small conferences i know they're not

1001
00:39:06,870 --> 00:39:04,320
making a lot of money i speak for free

1002
00:39:09,190 --> 00:39:06,880
even now you know but the ancient alien

1003
00:39:11,270 --> 00:39:09,200
guys started asking childress

1004
00:39:13,030 --> 00:39:11,280
you know fifteen hundred dollars you

1005
00:39:14,950 --> 00:39:13,040
know i said come on david we you know we

1006
00:39:17,510 --> 00:39:14,960
do the whole event and only make two

1007
00:39:19,510 --> 00:39:17,520
thousand and i'm going to give you 1500

1008
00:39:21,750 --> 00:39:19,520
you know i'm a better speaker than you

1009
00:39:24,069 --> 00:39:21,760
so i don't need you i'll speak again you

1010
00:39:25,589 --> 00:39:24,079
know that type of stuff so you know so i

1011
00:39:27,109 --> 00:39:25,599
don't know i think it's kind of ego with

1012
00:39:28,710 --> 00:39:27,119
some of that stuff but you know i'm not

1013
00:39:31,829 --> 00:39:28,720
in this for the money never been in it

1014
00:39:34,310 --> 00:39:31,839
for the money i spent more money uh

1015
00:39:36,470 --> 00:39:34,320
running around on investigations and and

1016
00:39:37,190 --> 00:39:36,480
helping other people with conferences

1017
00:39:38,950 --> 00:39:37,200
that

1018
00:39:41,990 --> 00:39:38,960
there's no money in this i published 10

1019
00:39:44,150 --> 00:39:42,000
books and i'm lucky i broke even

1020
00:39:45,750 --> 00:39:44,160
we had similar decision to make too like

1021
00:39:47,910 --> 00:39:45,760
for all of our viewers on our youtube

1022
00:39:49,510 --> 00:39:47,920
channel i hope you notice there's no

1023
00:39:50,710 --> 00:39:49,520
commercial when you click our video

1024
00:39:52,550 --> 00:39:50,720
there isn't one in the middle and there

1025
00:39:56,630 --> 00:39:52,560
isn't one at the end either and i'm also

1026
00:39:58,069 --> 00:39:56,640
not sponsoring coffee or jeans or uh you

1027
00:39:59,829 --> 00:39:58,079
know um

1028
00:40:01,589 --> 00:39:59,839
pest starbucks

1029
00:40:03,829 --> 00:40:01,599
yeah where i mean we could take the

1030
00:40:05,910 --> 00:40:03,839
money but uh and there will come a time

1031
00:40:07,589 --> 00:40:05,920
where it will only be feasible if we're

1032
00:40:10,390 --> 00:40:07,599
into that i think because it is a

1033
00:40:12,550 --> 00:40:10,400
full-time job in addition to our lives

1034
00:40:14,950 --> 00:40:12,560
our families and everything else right

1035
00:40:17,270 --> 00:40:14,960
but yeah we've chosen to not

1036
00:40:19,030 --> 00:40:17,280
go that route instantly and just as soon

1037
00:40:20,790 --> 00:40:19,040
as you can monetize bang let's start

1038
00:40:22,309 --> 00:40:20,800
getting subscriptions we're at the level

1039
00:40:24,790 --> 00:40:22,319
now where we could probably get a decent

1040
00:40:26,390 --> 00:40:24,800
buck for what we do but we feel like

1041
00:40:27,990 --> 00:40:26,400
that's almost a bit of a sellout you

1042
00:40:29,190 --> 00:40:28,000
know we've had people that we've asked

1043
00:40:31,109 --> 00:40:29,200
come on the show and they're like yeah

1044
00:40:32,630 --> 00:40:31,119
well you know due to my contract with my

1045
00:40:34,950 --> 00:40:32,640
agent i got to charge a thousand bucks

1046
00:40:37,190 --> 00:40:34,960
like what are you a neurosurgeon for one

1047
00:40:39,750 --> 00:40:37,200
hour

1048
00:40:41,910 --> 00:40:39,760
these episodes are 45 minutes long so

1049
00:40:43,510 --> 00:40:41,920
i tell those people thanks but no thanks

1050
00:40:46,390 --> 00:40:43,520
and oh yeah

1051
00:40:47,990 --> 00:40:46,400
i was so much a believer in this that we

1052
00:40:49,589 --> 00:40:48,000
have to find out because this is the

1053
00:40:52,309 --> 00:40:49,599
biggest

1054
00:40:54,150 --> 00:40:52,319
question in humanity i think that you

1055
00:40:55,990 --> 00:40:54,160
know with mufon you know i was on the

1056
00:40:57,910 --> 00:40:56,000
board for

1057
00:41:00,470 --> 00:40:57,920
three years it was kind of they called

1058
00:41:02,850 --> 00:41:00,480
it like a temporary board member and i'm

1059
00:41:04,349 --> 00:41:02,860
telling you the finances in

1060
00:41:07,990 --> 00:41:04,359
[Music]

1061
00:41:09,829 --> 00:41:08,000
2010 11 maybe 09 you know when we had

1062
00:41:12,390 --> 00:41:09,839
the housing crisis i guess was then an

1063
00:41:13,430 --> 00:41:12,400
08 yeah their finances were in the

1064
00:41:18,150 --> 00:41:13,440
toilet

1065
00:41:19,829 --> 00:41:18,160
i donated 13 000 to move on you know

1066
00:41:22,950 --> 00:41:19,839
it was a tax write-off because they're a

1067
00:41:25,670 --> 00:41:22,960
non-profit you know so it counts

1068
00:41:27,349 --> 00:41:25,680
but uh you know i felt good about that

1069
00:41:29,910 --> 00:41:27,359
you know i said i'm helping them stay

1070
00:41:32,309 --> 00:41:29,920
afloat and you know i was probably in

1071
00:41:34,150 --> 00:41:32,319
those two years their biggest donor you

1072
00:41:36,150 --> 00:41:34,160
know and and then they were able to

1073
00:41:37,510 --> 00:41:36,160
recover and now i understand they're

1074
00:41:40,150 --> 00:41:37,520
doing very well

1075
00:41:42,150 --> 00:41:40,160
and that's why even um having joined

1076
00:41:43,430 --> 00:41:42,160
mufon several years back and some people

1077
00:41:45,589 --> 00:41:43,440
are really upset about you know

1078
00:41:47,349 --> 00:41:45,599
sometimes they have an investigation and

1079
00:41:49,910 --> 00:41:47,359
the investigator comes back with you

1080
00:41:53,589 --> 00:41:51,430
basically

1081
00:41:55,030 --> 00:41:53,599
what happened on the the certain events

1082
00:41:56,710 --> 00:41:55,040
you know that took place their reports

1083
00:41:58,630 --> 00:41:56,720
and all that they don't understand it

1084
00:42:00,309 --> 00:41:58,640
comes out like we're not funded there's

1085
00:42:02,150 --> 00:42:00,319
no money coming in you know they're not

1086
00:42:03,430 --> 00:42:02,160
going to buy us or they're not paying

1087
00:42:05,510 --> 00:42:03,440
for the fuel they're not paying for the

1088
00:42:07,829 --> 00:42:05,520
equipment that we need like oh get you

1089
00:42:09,190 --> 00:42:07,839
need a to-go bag well it's a go bag

1090
00:42:11,270 --> 00:42:09,200
there's a lot of junk in there and

1091
00:42:14,230 --> 00:42:11,280
that's that's all costly right so yes

1092
00:42:16,390 --> 00:42:14,240
it's you might not agree with the uh the

1093
00:42:18,790 --> 00:42:16,400
end result that uh your mufon

1094
00:42:21,750 --> 00:42:18,800
investigator has for your case but keep

1095
00:42:23,829 --> 00:42:21,760
in mind that you know he she or they uh

1096
00:42:25,510 --> 00:42:23,839
with these days you gotta say that um

1097
00:42:26,390 --> 00:42:25,520
yeah you gotta you know you don't know

1098
00:42:28,069 --> 00:42:26,400
what

1099
00:42:30,069 --> 00:42:28,079
their expense you know how much money

1100
00:42:32,069 --> 00:42:30,079
they can spend on your case right it's a

1101
00:42:33,670 --> 00:42:32,079
cattle mutilation go nuts you know i'll

1102
00:42:35,190 --> 00:42:33,680
probably spend several

1103
00:42:36,950 --> 00:42:35,200
you know at least a thousand bucks on

1104
00:42:39,030 --> 00:42:36,960
that investigation but you know just for

1105
00:42:41,349 --> 00:42:39,040
something's floating in the sky like no

1106
00:42:43,190 --> 00:42:41,359
um yeah it costs it costs money to do

1107
00:42:45,750 --> 00:42:43,200
this but i tell you what though with the

1108
00:42:47,829 --> 00:42:45,760
conferences we did i i paid for the

1109
00:42:48,790 --> 00:42:47,839
first conference we did in montgomery

1110
00:42:51,430 --> 00:42:48,800
county

1111
00:42:53,430 --> 00:42:51,440
and the first conference it was we did

1112
00:42:56,309 --> 00:42:53,440
you know i was smart about this we got

1113
00:42:58,710 --> 00:42:56,319
this case in bucks county it's getting

1114
00:43:02,150 --> 00:42:58,720
all the it's in all the newspapers it's

1115
00:43:05,670 --> 00:43:02,160
on the tv news right the tv show airs in

1116
00:43:07,349 --> 00:43:05,680
november so january i run a ufo

1117
00:43:10,230 --> 00:43:07,359
conference there do you know how many

1118
00:43:12,790 --> 00:43:10,240
people showed up

1119
00:43:14,790 --> 00:43:12,800
600 are you serious the biggest

1120
00:43:17,990 --> 00:43:14,800
conference i ever did in my life we

1121
00:43:19,910 --> 00:43:18,000
charged ten dollars i paid to rent these

1122
00:43:22,069 --> 00:43:19,920
the science hall at the montgomery

1123
00:43:25,030 --> 00:43:22,079
community college i bought the screen

1124
00:43:27,829 --> 00:43:25,040
the projector brought my laptop i funded

1125
00:43:29,670 --> 00:43:27,839
that stuff and we made six grand because

1126
00:43:32,230 --> 00:43:29,680
it was two ten dollars to get in bill

1127
00:43:34,950 --> 00:43:32,240
burns david jacobs and myself were the

1128
00:43:37,190 --> 00:43:34,960
speakers we made six grand on that and

1129
00:43:40,309 --> 00:43:37,200
and we had gotten up to almost thirty

1130
00:43:43,190 --> 00:43:40,319
thousand dollars from our conferences

1131
00:43:46,309 --> 00:43:43,200
and we were then able to reimburse

1132
00:43:48,550 --> 00:43:46,319
investigators and fund stuff and send

1133
00:43:50,550 --> 00:43:48,560
things off to labs for reports and all

1134
00:43:52,390 --> 00:43:50,560
of that so yeah but that's how you do it

1135
00:43:55,270 --> 00:43:52,400
and you know and i had a

1136
00:43:56,710 --> 00:43:55,280
public television i'm at an event in

1137
00:43:59,190 --> 00:43:56,720
pittsburgh

1138
00:44:01,430 --> 00:43:59,200
and some guy walks up to me and and says

1139
00:44:03,990 --> 00:44:01,440
hey i've seen you on on television with

1140
00:44:07,270 --> 00:44:04,000
hangar one and all of that we have a

1141
00:44:09,349 --> 00:44:07,280
public tv show and he says

1142
00:44:12,069 --> 00:44:09,359
would you come in

1143
00:44:14,630 --> 00:44:12,079
and and do some half-hour episodes for

1144
00:44:17,270 --> 00:44:14,640
us and we air it on pittsburgh channel

1145
00:44:19,270 --> 00:44:17,280
11 tv at night and i said yeah i said

1146
00:44:20,710 --> 00:44:19,280
you know uh and i didn't get paid for

1147
00:44:22,710 --> 00:44:20,720
any of this so now i'm driving into

1148
00:44:25,750 --> 00:44:22,720
pittsburgh paying tolls and gas and all

1149
00:44:28,390 --> 00:44:25,760
of that and we we i named the show ufos

1150
00:44:31,270 --> 00:44:28,400
over pittsburgh which was cool and i'm

1151
00:44:33,670 --> 00:44:31,280
able to skype uh people in we had travis

1152
00:44:36,309 --> 00:44:33,680
we had everybody on the show and it was

1153
00:44:38,390 --> 00:44:36,319
free and it was on tv i never got paid

1154
00:44:39,829 --> 00:44:38,400
but i said you know what

1155
00:44:42,309 --> 00:44:39,839
we'll get more

1156
00:44:45,430 --> 00:44:42,319
investigators and more people at the

1157
00:44:48,710 --> 00:44:45,440
conferences and when i retired

1158
00:44:51,150 --> 00:44:48,720
as state director in 2012

1159
00:44:56,150 --> 00:44:51,160
we had 178

1160
00:44:57,829 --> 00:44:56,160
subscribers we had 43 investigators and

1161
00:44:59,990 --> 00:44:57,839
i think about that when you know 10

1162
00:45:02,230 --> 00:45:00,000
years earlier when i took it over

1163
00:45:04,790 --> 00:45:02,240
i'm lucky i had a dozen investigators

1164
00:45:06,950 --> 00:45:04,800
and you know now we're at 43. you know

1165
00:45:08,870 --> 00:45:06,960
we we really built this state up but

1166
00:45:10,550 --> 00:45:08,880
that's how you do it but i want to segue

1167
00:45:12,230 --> 00:45:10,560
into one other thing before you start

1168
00:45:13,589 --> 00:45:12,240
that because since we're talking about

1169
00:45:15,670 --> 00:45:13,599
funding

1170
00:45:17,910 --> 00:45:15,680
so you know i'm on the board of mufon

1171
00:45:20,150 --> 00:45:17,920
and all of a sudden we we're told that

1172
00:45:22,069 --> 00:45:20,160
robert bigelow

1173
00:45:25,750 --> 00:45:22,079
wants to get involved

1174
00:45:28,390 --> 00:45:25,760
and he will fund our investigations and

1175
00:45:30,870 --> 00:45:28,400
this is like oh nine so again it's right

1176
00:45:33,430 --> 00:45:30,880
there with the tv show and i just gotten

1177
00:45:36,230 --> 00:45:33,440
state director two years earlier robert

1178
00:45:39,109 --> 00:45:36,240
big and i meet the guy we have we have a

1179
00:45:41,270 --> 00:45:39,119
uh um the symposium i believe it was in

1180
00:45:44,950 --> 00:45:41,280
denver and there's billionaire robert

1181
00:45:47,670 --> 00:45:44,960
bigelow and i'm having a vodka and and i

1182
00:45:50,390 --> 00:45:47,680
have i i drink the vodka gin martinis

1183
00:45:53,270 --> 00:45:50,400
like james bond nice yeah shaken not

1184
00:45:54,950 --> 00:45:53,280
stirred that's right yeah and so we have

1185
00:45:57,030 --> 00:45:54,960
like here's a billionaire he don't know

1186
00:46:00,150 --> 00:45:57,040
me from anybody and we had like a

1187
00:46:03,109 --> 00:46:00,160
20-minute conversation about uh

1188
00:46:07,030 --> 00:46:03,119
colonizing mars you know it was it was

1189
00:46:08,870 --> 00:46:07,040
really cool but still again with people

1190
00:46:11,109 --> 00:46:08,880
you know you start getting

1191
00:46:13,750 --> 00:46:11,119
what's bigelow getting out of this and

1192
00:46:16,390 --> 00:46:13,760
what's going on with this and all i knew

1193
00:46:17,910 --> 00:46:16,400
is that if we had an investigation you

1194
00:46:20,309 --> 00:46:17,920
submitted an expense

1195
00:46:21,990 --> 00:46:20,319
report if you had to stay in a hotel if

1196
00:46:24,230 --> 00:46:22,000
you had it and they had to authorize it

1197
00:46:26,630 --> 00:46:24,240
first you know if you had to rent a car

1198
00:46:28,150 --> 00:46:26,640
you know gas and they're reimbursing you

1199
00:46:31,109 --> 00:46:28,160
you know i said this is the way it

1200
00:46:32,790 --> 00:46:31,119
should be we need and that kind of

1201
00:46:35,109 --> 00:46:32,800
funding and i don't remember the exact

1202
00:46:37,430 --> 00:46:35,119
figures seven hundred thousand dollars

1203
00:46:40,150 --> 00:46:37,440
is what bigelow put up

1204
00:46:42,150 --> 00:46:40,160
for a year to do these investigations

1205
00:46:44,309 --> 00:46:42,160
and of course then you get people you

1206
00:46:46,390 --> 00:46:44,319
know you know the crazies uh what's

1207
00:46:48,390 --> 00:46:46,400
bigelow getting is it being compromised

1208
00:46:51,109 --> 00:46:48,400
is he taking all the reports is he

1209
00:46:53,109 --> 00:46:51,119
getting all he wanted to do for seven

1210
00:46:54,230 --> 00:46:53,119
hundred thousand dollars was read the

1211
00:46:57,349 --> 00:46:54,240
report

1212
00:47:00,150 --> 00:46:57,359
you know he wanted to see it first

1213
00:47:02,710 --> 00:47:00,160
and if there was anything there for uh

1214
00:47:04,950 --> 00:47:02,720
that would describe the propulsion

1215
00:47:06,470 --> 00:47:04,960
anything that he could use because he's

1216
00:47:09,990 --> 00:47:06,480
building those

1217
00:47:12,309 --> 00:47:10,000
pods in in you know his hotel right in

1218
00:47:13,670 --> 00:47:12,319
the atmosphere there you know he wanted

1219
00:47:15,589 --> 00:47:13,680
the information i thought it was the

1220
00:47:18,270 --> 00:47:15,599
best thing and that whole thing just

1221
00:47:21,510 --> 00:47:18,280
kind of de-evolved into

1222
00:47:23,190 --> 00:47:21,520
finger-pointing and james carry on he he

1223
00:47:25,990 --> 00:47:23,200
goes on vacation he comes back he's

1224
00:47:27,910 --> 00:47:26,000
fired as mufon international director i

1225
00:47:29,109 --> 00:47:27,920
thought carry on was a good guy you know

1226
00:47:30,470 --> 00:47:29,119
they said well he didn't report

1227
00:47:32,390 --> 00:47:30,480
something right i don't you know the

1228
00:47:34,309 --> 00:47:32,400
whole thing just and the people on the

1229
00:47:35,990 --> 00:47:34,319
board and other people

1230
00:47:37,589 --> 00:47:36,000
state directors pointing fingers and the

1231
00:47:39,750 --> 00:47:37,599
whole thing fell a minute the minute

1232
00:47:41,829 --> 00:47:39,760
money gets involved

1233
00:47:43,109 --> 00:47:41,839
everything falls apart and bigelow is

1234
00:47:45,030 --> 00:47:43,119
one of those guys that we always think

1235
00:47:47,190 --> 00:47:45,040
like oh if i was a billionaire i would

1236
00:47:49,190 --> 00:47:47,200
spend money on investigating ufos well

1237
00:47:51,030 --> 00:47:49,200
that's exactly what he's doing

1238
00:47:52,950 --> 00:47:51,040
right so it's it's not like it's a

1239
00:47:55,270 --> 00:47:52,960
secret thing the guy's got the money to

1240
00:47:57,270 --> 00:47:55,280
spend on it let him spend it and i'll

1241
00:48:00,150 --> 00:47:57,280
tell you something else this is my

1242
00:48:01,990 --> 00:48:00,160
opinion what you're seeing right now

1243
00:48:04,230 --> 00:48:02,000
with the pentagon

1244
00:48:07,829 --> 00:48:04,240
with all of that you know they might put

1245
00:48:11,030 --> 00:48:07,839
tom delonge out as the front man and uh

1246
00:48:14,069 --> 00:48:11,040
elizondo i guarantee you in the

1247
00:48:16,549 --> 00:48:14,079
background bigelow's involved in this

1248
00:48:18,309 --> 00:48:16,559
i am straight from skinwalker ranch

1249
00:48:21,670 --> 00:48:18,319
onwards he's never really left it

1250
00:48:24,069 --> 00:48:21,680
wouldn't make sense i am 99.9 certain

1251
00:48:25,670 --> 00:48:24,079
that bigelow's in the middle of this and

1252
00:48:28,230 --> 00:48:25,680
because i you know he wants that

1253
00:48:29,910 --> 00:48:28,240
technology or something that's going to

1254
00:48:32,390 --> 00:48:29,920
help him with that space station that

1255
00:48:34,870 --> 00:48:32,400
he's got up there hotel thing but i

1256
00:48:37,270 --> 00:48:34,880
guarantee you he's behind that you know

1257
00:48:39,510 --> 00:48:37,280
so you know so it's a race to the patent

1258
00:48:41,190 --> 00:48:39,520
for this crazy science like even mosque

1259
00:48:44,150 --> 00:48:41,200
in everybody we're trying to go from

1260
00:48:47,109 --> 00:48:44,160
burning fossil fuels to using you know

1261
00:48:49,910 --> 00:48:47,119
antimatter as propulsion so whoever gets

1262
00:48:51,990 --> 00:48:49,920
it right first wins the monopoly game is

1263
00:48:54,390 --> 00:48:52,000
over when you land on the whole you know

1264
00:48:55,910 --> 00:48:54,400
the park place with a hotel you're done

1265
00:48:57,589 --> 00:48:55,920
huge it's huge

1266
00:48:59,430 --> 00:48:57,599
i'm looking i'm looking at motor trend

1267
00:49:00,950 --> 00:48:59,440
and you know i love the hummer and it's

1268
00:49:02,390 --> 00:49:00,960
electric now so i don't have to worry

1269
00:49:04,470 --> 00:49:02,400
about eight miles per gallon

1270
00:49:05,750 --> 00:49:04,480
if i say you know i just go snowmobiling

1271
00:49:08,069 --> 00:49:05,760
i'm not certain i could take that

1272
00:49:09,910 --> 00:49:08,079
electric hummer up in the mountains well

1273
00:49:11,910 --> 00:49:09,920
here's a caveat to that i also work in

1274
00:49:14,309 --> 00:49:11,920
the automotive business we both do and

1275
00:49:16,470 --> 00:49:14,319
uh we had uh we viewed one of the new

1276
00:49:19,910 --> 00:49:16,480
hummer electrics it was at the facility

1277
00:49:21,910 --> 00:49:19,920
we were at and uh this unit sold for 245

1278
00:49:23,990 --> 00:49:21,920
thousand dollars

1279
00:49:25,510 --> 00:49:24,000
it weighs 10 000 pounds

1280
00:49:27,589 --> 00:49:25,520
it feels like the equivalent of a

1281
00:49:29,270 --> 00:49:27,599
thousand horsepower when you nail it

1282
00:49:30,950 --> 00:49:29,280
right the whole idea if you look at how

1283
00:49:33,270 --> 00:49:30,960
much pollution was made mining the

1284
00:49:34,710 --> 00:49:33,280
lithium to make those batteries i know

1285
00:49:36,549 --> 00:49:34,720
you'd have been wait if it just burned

1286
00:49:38,470 --> 00:49:36,559
gas the rest of its life the next 20

1287
00:49:41,510 --> 00:49:38,480
years it would do the planet a bigger

1288
00:49:43,589 --> 00:49:41,520
favor and 29 000 to replace the

1289
00:49:45,510 --> 00:49:43,599
batteries you're not saving the planet

1290
00:49:47,510 --> 00:49:45,520
by buying electric cars i hate to tell

1291
00:49:49,270 --> 00:49:47,520
people that i ruffle people's feathers

1292
00:49:51,510 --> 00:49:49,280
but that's what they're doing california

1293
00:49:54,230 --> 00:49:51,520
said they're not going to produce uh gas

1294
00:49:55,910 --> 00:49:54,240
vehicles uh same in europe 2030 you

1295
00:49:57,430 --> 00:49:55,920
can't sell gas i think north america

1296
00:49:58,390 --> 00:49:57,440
they don't have any gas they got to get

1297
00:50:00,950 --> 00:49:58,400
it from russia

1298
00:50:02,870 --> 00:50:00,960
yeah that's a whole other show in itself

1299
00:50:05,030 --> 00:50:02,880
here everybody's riding bikes the

1300
00:50:07,109 --> 00:50:05,040
e-bikes

1301
00:50:09,030 --> 00:50:07,119
yeah that's what needs to happen again

1302
00:50:11,030 --> 00:50:09,040
ask me about cases let's get into some

1303
00:50:12,710 --> 00:50:11,040
cases this is viewer requested so that's

1304
00:50:14,069 --> 00:50:12,720
why i'm like i gotta get it done i'm

1305
00:50:16,549 --> 00:50:14,079
gonna get my head ripped off we're gonna

1306
00:50:18,309 --> 00:50:16,559
go two hours here social media hey if we

1307
00:50:20,230 --> 00:50:18,319
go and it's good content we keep this

1308
00:50:21,750 --> 00:50:20,240
baby running okay so we'll start with

1309
00:50:24,069 --> 00:50:21,760
the easy one and i know you're you're

1310
00:50:25,670 --> 00:50:24,079
polarized on this one so we don't want

1311
00:50:28,950 --> 00:50:25,680
to beat it to death but roswell new

1312
00:50:31,510 --> 00:50:28,960
mexico yay or nay okay it's uh it's a

1313
00:50:33,750 --> 00:50:31,520
nay and i'll tell you why and nick pope

1314
00:50:36,309 --> 00:50:33,760
actually now is mimicking my logic

1315
00:50:37,990 --> 00:50:36,319
because i had him in philly and i said

1316
00:50:39,750 --> 00:50:38,000
to the crowd what i believed about

1317
00:50:41,829 --> 00:50:39,760
roswell the heat and i was saying it on

1318
00:50:43,109 --> 00:50:41,839
tv but uh

1319
00:50:46,710 --> 00:50:43,119
roswell

1320
00:50:48,630 --> 00:50:46,720
in 1936 there was a ufo crash in the

1321
00:50:50,390 --> 00:50:48,640
black forest of germany

1322
00:50:52,790 --> 00:50:50,400
we ended up getting all of that with

1323
00:50:54,470 --> 00:50:52,800
operation paper clip we got all of them

1324
00:50:56,390 --> 00:50:54,480
we didn't know what we had hitler didn't

1325
00:50:58,630 --> 00:50:56,400
know what he had that's why he tried to

1326
00:50:59,910 --> 00:50:58,640
dig lock and all these other things he

1327
00:51:01,750 --> 00:50:59,920
was trying to do

1328
00:51:06,829 --> 00:51:01,760
my belief is

1329
00:51:09,109 --> 00:51:06,839
that uh the roswell crash was hours

1330
00:51:11,349 --> 00:51:09,119
experimentation trying to get the

1331
00:51:13,829 --> 00:51:11,359
anti-gravity to work and it crashed

1332
00:51:15,910 --> 00:51:13,839
there now as far as the bodies go maybe

1333
00:51:18,790 --> 00:51:15,920
there was an issue with weight maybe

1334
00:51:21,030 --> 00:51:18,800
they were you know dwarves midgets i

1335
00:51:22,790 --> 00:51:21,040
don't know but i would hate to think

1336
00:51:25,910 --> 00:51:22,800
that they were

1337
00:51:27,510 --> 00:51:25,920
some human experimentation but

1338
00:51:30,150 --> 00:51:27,520
when you look at what

1339
00:51:33,510 --> 00:51:30,160
hitler did and what the japanese did to

1340
00:51:35,990 --> 00:51:33,520
the chinese in unit 231 experimenting on

1341
00:51:38,630 --> 00:51:36,000
people and we continued some of that

1342
00:51:40,470 --> 00:51:38,640
stuff with the tuskegee airmen and other

1343
00:51:43,270 --> 00:51:40,480
mk ultra and

1344
00:51:45,589 --> 00:51:43,280
yeah yeah good good point all of that

1345
00:51:48,150 --> 00:51:45,599
who knows what the bodies were but in my

1346
00:51:50,309 --> 00:51:48,160
opinion it was not alien that was our

1347
00:51:52,870 --> 00:51:50,319
technology and that makes sense because

1348
00:51:55,510 --> 00:51:52,880
the initial headline um you know it was

1349
00:51:57,750 --> 00:51:55,520
the army captures flying disc that was

1350
00:51:59,829 --> 00:51:57,760
an army disclosure so if it was a secret

1351
00:52:02,790 --> 00:51:59,839
air force project there might have been

1352
00:52:04,230 --> 00:52:02,800
some not good cooperation that just

1353
00:52:05,670 --> 00:52:04,240
because it's an air force project

1354
00:52:08,790 --> 00:52:05,680
doesn't mean every other faction of the

1355
00:52:10,470 --> 00:52:08,800
military gets that in insider info it's

1356
00:52:12,630 --> 00:52:10,480
compartmentalized and then they pulled

1357
00:52:14,790 --> 00:52:12,640
it all down two days later and yeah i

1358
00:52:16,630 --> 00:52:14,800
said it was a weather balloon sorry we

1359
00:52:18,549 --> 00:52:16,640
didn't get nuked on wednesday that was

1360
00:52:21,270 --> 00:52:18,559
the lightning strike sorry it didn't

1361
00:52:23,990 --> 00:52:21,280
happen you know this took us two days

1362
00:52:26,870 --> 00:52:24,000
but it's tinfoil okay so we're we're in

1363
00:52:28,950 --> 00:52:26,880
neon roswell so now a very polarizing

1364
00:52:32,870 --> 00:52:28,960
subject what are your thoughts on bob

1365
00:52:34,630 --> 00:52:32,880
lazar area 51 s4 because that kind of

1366
00:52:37,109 --> 00:52:34,640
comes from that like we didn't know area

1367
00:52:38,950 --> 00:52:37,119
51 existed until george knapp got the

1368
00:52:41,829 --> 00:52:38,960
story of bob lazar and released him

1369
00:52:45,030 --> 00:52:41,839
right yeah yeah no i think lazar saw

1370
00:52:47,829 --> 00:52:45,040
what he saw and uh but again

1371
00:52:50,710 --> 00:52:47,839
is it alien or is it ours because you're

1372
00:52:53,829 --> 00:52:50,720
talking now what's that 1989 or so with

1373
00:52:56,470 --> 00:52:53,839
bob lazar and uh we've had this

1374
00:52:58,549 --> 00:52:56,480
technology to an extent for 40 years at

1375
00:53:02,069 --> 00:52:58,559
that point sure and

1376
00:53:04,470 --> 00:53:02,079
i think lazar saw that craft and stuff

1377
00:53:07,190 --> 00:53:04,480
absolutely and people say well he

1378
00:53:09,670 --> 00:53:07,200
falsified his his college

1379
00:53:12,069 --> 00:53:09,680
credentials i mean how many people have

1380
00:53:14,549 --> 00:53:12,079
i think a lot of people apply for jobs

1381
00:53:16,790 --> 00:53:14,559
and they exaggerate their college

1382
00:53:18,950 --> 00:53:16,800
credentials and their resume and a lot

1383
00:53:20,470 --> 00:53:18,960
of things so i think i think he's

1384
00:53:23,190 --> 00:53:20,480
already sore

1385
00:53:23,990 --> 00:53:23,200
but my belief is

1386
00:53:26,870 --> 00:53:24,000
that

1387
00:53:30,870 --> 00:53:26,880
probably around 1980

1388
00:53:34,069 --> 00:53:30,880
we finally broke through and we have

1389
00:53:37,829 --> 00:53:34,079
a real space force trump did not

1390
00:53:39,190 --> 00:53:37,839
discover create it in 2018 or 17

1391
00:53:41,750 --> 00:53:39,200
whenever he said

1392
00:53:44,790 --> 00:53:41,760
he created the space force that has been

1393
00:53:47,589 --> 00:53:44,800
there since the early 80s and when i

1394
00:53:49,670 --> 00:53:47,599
look back at the old cases you know

1395
00:53:52,230 --> 00:53:49,680
actually if you look it up 1982 there's

1396
00:53:54,829 --> 00:53:52,240
a space force involved with satellites

1397
00:53:58,150 --> 00:53:54,839
let's say that's what the job was

1398
00:54:01,030 --> 00:53:58,160
but i look at the uh

1399
00:54:03,430 --> 00:54:01,040
uh uh what's the case uh

1400
00:54:06,549 --> 00:54:03,440
uh hudson valley yeah

1401
00:54:08,230 --> 00:54:06,559
from this from christmas of 83 for i

1402
00:54:11,030 --> 00:54:08,240
don't know what that was seven years

1403
00:54:14,470 --> 00:54:11,040
yeah six years was the flap yeah 7 000

1404
00:54:17,109 --> 00:54:14,480
reports and witnesses and it's like

1405
00:54:19,109 --> 00:54:17,119
blatant and and nobody is investigating

1406
00:54:20,950 --> 00:54:19,119
it this thing's hovering over a nuclear

1407
00:54:23,589 --> 00:54:20,960
reactor and you don't have the air force

1408
00:54:25,430 --> 00:54:23,599
flying in there that was ours they were

1409
00:54:27,030 --> 00:54:25,440
testing it probably built it somewhere

1410
00:54:29,589 --> 00:54:27,040
up there in upstate new york they're

1411
00:54:31,030 --> 00:54:29,599
flying it and testing it i'm convinced

1412
00:54:33,910 --> 00:54:31,040
that um

1413
00:54:37,670 --> 00:54:33,920
hudson valley and the phoenix lights is

1414
00:54:39,510 --> 00:54:37,680
our technology those are ours and um

1415
00:54:42,390 --> 00:54:39,520
that's why i say like lazarus already

1416
00:54:45,750 --> 00:54:42,400
saw and maybe half of all the cases ever

1417
00:54:48,309 --> 00:54:45,760
reported is ours maybe the tic tac stuff

1418
00:54:50,230 --> 00:54:48,319
is our uh secret space force that

1419
00:54:51,990 --> 00:54:50,240
they're not telling you about they're

1420
00:54:54,230 --> 00:54:52,000
not telling you everything about it but

1421
00:54:58,069 --> 00:54:54,240
those are really ours you know it's

1422
00:54:59,829 --> 00:54:58,079
interesting i had a cousin um

1423
00:55:02,549 --> 00:54:59,839
quick story two of my cousins went to

1424
00:55:04,870 --> 00:55:02,559
the air force academy in the mid 70s

1425
00:55:05,670 --> 00:55:04,880
right and i would ask them you know the

1426
00:55:08,549 --> 00:55:05,680
uh

1427
00:55:10,789 --> 00:55:08,559
the physics

1428
00:55:13,510 --> 00:55:10,799
370 book at the air force i don't know

1429
00:55:16,390 --> 00:55:13,520
if you know about this chapter 33 is on

1430
00:55:18,390 --> 00:55:16,400
ufos and the threat right so i said when

1431
00:55:19,270 --> 00:55:18,400
you were at the air force academy did

1432
00:55:21,910 --> 00:55:19,280
you

1433
00:55:24,470 --> 00:55:21,920
see that and it was only there from 68

1434
00:55:26,950 --> 00:55:24,480
69 and 70. they went to the air force

1435
00:55:29,589 --> 00:55:26,960
academy like mid 70s they said no i

1436
00:55:31,030 --> 00:55:29,599
never said anything about that but

1437
00:55:31,829 --> 00:55:31,040
interesting though we're at dinner one

1438
00:55:33,270 --> 00:55:31,839
time

1439
00:55:36,549 --> 00:55:33,280
my cousin

1440
00:55:38,069 --> 00:55:36,559
frank is a two-star air force general

1441
00:55:42,710 --> 00:55:38,079
my other cousin i don't want to use his

1442
00:55:44,870 --> 00:55:42,720
name is nsa right so um so in the car i

1443
00:55:47,030 --> 00:55:44,880
was telling frankie about all these ufo

1444
00:55:49,109 --> 00:55:47,040
cases and nasa and all these things all

1445
00:55:50,309 --> 00:55:49,119
the evidence so he brings it up and then

1446
00:55:51,750 --> 00:55:50,319
it says hey

1447
00:55:53,910 --> 00:55:51,760
tells his brother

1448
00:55:55,589 --> 00:55:53,920
cousin johnny is saying this and he's

1449
00:55:58,470 --> 00:55:55,599
laughing and says what do you think

1450
00:56:00,549 --> 00:55:58,480
about about that and the nsa guy says

1451
00:56:05,430 --> 00:56:00,559
yeah i believe that you had to see my

1452
00:56:07,349 --> 00:56:05,440
air force cousin's jaw like this large

1453
00:56:10,309 --> 00:56:07,359
like what do you mean you believe that

1454
00:56:11,910 --> 00:56:10,319
you know but he did tell me one thing

1455
00:56:15,349 --> 00:56:11,920
and i could say it now because he passed

1456
00:56:16,950 --> 00:56:15,359
away uh last january he said john i can

1457
00:56:19,589 --> 00:56:16,960
tell you this

1458
00:56:21,670 --> 00:56:19,599
we have you know it's almost like that

1459
00:56:23,270 --> 00:56:21,680
guy who's who told jan horizon from

1460
00:56:26,150 --> 00:56:23,280
lockheed whatever that we can go to the

1461
00:56:29,589 --> 00:56:26,160
stores he said john you don't have to

1462
00:56:31,109 --> 00:56:29,599
worry at night we have stuff that china

1463
00:56:32,470 --> 00:56:31,119
and russia

1464
00:56:34,789 --> 00:56:32,480
no idea

1465
00:56:36,630 --> 00:56:34,799
so advanced you could sleep good at

1466
00:56:38,950 --> 00:56:36,640
night and you know unfortunately he

1467
00:56:41,510 --> 00:56:38,960
passed away at 65

1468
00:56:43,829 --> 00:56:41,520
about 18 months ago but that's why

1469
00:56:46,390 --> 00:56:43,839
that's why i say i i think that the

1470
00:56:49,430 --> 00:56:46,400
lazar stuff that's ours phoenix lights

1471
00:56:52,069 --> 00:56:49,440
is ours and uh hudson valley was ours

1472
00:56:54,470 --> 00:56:52,079
and we we have already been to every

1473
00:56:55,910 --> 00:56:54,480
planet in the solar system i believe

1474
00:56:56,789 --> 00:56:55,920
that 100

1475
00:56:58,390 --> 00:56:56,799
so do you think there's an

1476
00:57:00,150 --> 00:56:58,400
accountability though

1477
00:57:02,390 --> 00:57:00,160
on that to have that sort of technology

1478
00:57:04,309 --> 00:57:02,400
to scare the crap out of the population

1479
00:57:06,390 --> 00:57:04,319
not only that but let's say if it is

1480
00:57:08,390 --> 00:57:06,400
american technology they're flying it

1481
00:57:09,990 --> 00:57:08,400
over canada they're flying it over

1482
00:57:11,190 --> 00:57:10,000
europe they're flying it everywhere

1483
00:57:13,030 --> 00:57:11,200
without

1484
00:57:15,030 --> 00:57:13,040
basically asking for permission to be in

1485
00:57:17,109 --> 00:57:15,040
their airspace so there is some

1486
00:57:20,150 --> 00:57:17,119
repercussions to having this sort of

1487
00:57:21,750 --> 00:57:20,160
advanced technology if we do possess it

1488
00:57:24,230 --> 00:57:21,760
because there's accountability at this

1489
00:57:25,829 --> 00:57:24,240
point some people are getting radiation

1490
00:57:27,750 --> 00:57:25,839
poisoning from it they're getting these

1491
00:57:30,870 --> 00:57:27,760
weird diseases from approaching these

1492
00:57:33,270 --> 00:57:30,880
crafts uh you know um so there is an

1493
00:57:35,190 --> 00:57:33,280
accountability there isn't there well i

1494
00:57:37,589 --> 00:57:35,200
i would say to you do you think they

1495
00:57:39,670 --> 00:57:37,599
care the answer is no and i'll give you

1496
00:57:41,589 --> 00:57:39,680
example the bet um

1497
00:57:43,990 --> 00:57:41,599
not betting bonnie hill the the two that

1498
00:57:45,829 --> 00:57:44,000
were in texas in 1980

1499
00:57:47,750 --> 00:57:45,839
where the two ladies and the kids stayed

1500
00:57:50,390 --> 00:57:47,760
in the car and mentioned that the last

1501
00:57:53,910 --> 00:57:50,400
episode yes cash landrum right yeah that

1502
00:57:55,910 --> 00:57:53,920
was absolutely ours 1980 we're testing a

1503
00:57:58,549 --> 00:57:55,920
nuclear reactor on this thing it's being

1504
00:57:59,750 --> 00:57:58,559
followed by uh helicopters like what

1505
00:58:01,589 --> 00:57:59,760
helicopters

1506
00:58:03,750 --> 00:58:01,599
yeah it's like they shoot the thing down

1507
00:58:06,230 --> 00:58:03,760
this is ours it flies right over the

1508
00:58:09,030 --> 00:58:06,240
lady they they get the radiation

1509
00:58:10,789 --> 00:58:09,040
poisoning they remove the road

1510
00:58:12,870 --> 00:58:10,799
and they want a lawsuit it's the only

1511
00:58:14,870 --> 00:58:12,880
time anyone's ever successfully sued and

1512
00:58:16,470 --> 00:58:14,880
won for damages yeah i'll give you i'll

1513
00:58:17,750 --> 00:58:16,480
give you another example that they don't

1514
00:58:19,430 --> 00:58:17,760
care

1515
00:58:21,109 --> 00:58:19,440
and this may be one of your cases you

1516
00:58:23,030 --> 00:58:21,119
want to talk about kecksburg because

1517
00:58:24,950 --> 00:58:23,040
it's seven miles from me so i don't know

1518
00:58:26,950 --> 00:58:24,960
if that's one oh yeah i got kecksburg

1519
00:58:28,870 --> 00:58:26,960
right here the little acorn bell right

1520
00:58:31,910 --> 00:58:28,880
now yeah we don't we don't have to go in

1521
00:58:34,950 --> 00:58:31,920
chronological order uh unfortunately for

1522
00:58:37,829 --> 00:58:34,960
the ufo fans in pa locally i hooked up

1523
00:58:39,990 --> 00:58:37,839
with an engineer in 2015 and we went

1524
00:58:43,109 --> 00:58:40,000
step by step over everything the

1525
00:58:46,789 --> 00:58:43,119
witnesses said and his theory was that

1526
00:58:50,950 --> 00:58:46,799
kecksburg was a spy satellite

1527
00:58:53,430 --> 00:58:50,960
after the gary powers u2 uh capture of

1528
00:58:56,069 --> 00:58:53,440
his plane we still needed to spy on

1529
00:58:58,549 --> 00:58:56,079
russia so and this is an absolute fact

1530
00:59:00,950 --> 00:58:58,559
what we started doing

1531
00:59:02,710 --> 00:59:00,960
was launching capsules they were five

1532
00:59:04,950 --> 00:59:02,720
and a half feet tall five and a half

1533
00:59:07,030 --> 00:59:04,960
feet wide and it looks just like a space

1534
00:59:09,589 --> 00:59:07,040
capsule we launched them out of the

1535
00:59:11,510 --> 00:59:09,599
south pacific by johnson island so they

1536
00:59:13,510 --> 00:59:11,520
would go over the earth would spin

1537
00:59:14,549 --> 00:59:13,520
they'd take pictures of russia come back

1538
00:59:17,190 --> 00:59:14,559
around

1539
00:59:20,069 --> 00:59:17,200
eject the camera system we'd pick it up

1540
00:59:21,829 --> 00:59:20,079
now my point is not to debunk kecksburg

1541
00:59:23,349 --> 00:59:21,839
but i think that's actually what crashed

1542
00:59:25,510 --> 00:59:23,359
in kecksburg and i could tell you all

1543
00:59:28,069 --> 00:59:25,520
about it but

1544
00:59:29,270 --> 00:59:28,079
they would pick up the camera system the

1545
00:59:31,589 --> 00:59:29,280
capsule

1546
00:59:34,630 --> 00:59:31,599
would land in the water and sink

1547
00:59:37,030 --> 00:59:34,640
it has an atomic generator on it and

1548
00:59:39,430 --> 00:59:37,040
there are hundreds of them that sunk to

1549
00:59:41,589 --> 00:59:39,440
the bottom of the pacific yeah nobody

1550
00:59:43,670 --> 00:59:41,599
cared about the radiation so when it

1551
00:59:44,710 --> 00:59:43,680
comes to the government and look i love

1552
00:59:46,870 --> 00:59:44,720
america

1553
00:59:49,109 --> 00:59:46,880
you know i am love it or leave it you

1554
00:59:50,950 --> 00:59:49,119
know i want my freedoms and i am you

1555
00:59:52,789 --> 00:59:50,960
know and people need to be

1556
00:59:54,789 --> 00:59:52,799
where they succeed on their own and not

1557
00:59:57,109 --> 00:59:54,799
with government handouts and stuff but

1558
00:59:58,150 --> 00:59:57,119
you know when it comes to the government

1559
01:00:00,470 --> 00:59:58,160
they're going to do what they're going

1560
01:00:02,789 --> 01:00:00,480
to do and there isn't accountability and

1561
01:00:04,230 --> 01:00:02,799
there's no concern for human life very

1562
01:00:05,109 --> 01:00:04,240
little because if they can get away with

1563
01:00:12,150 --> 01:00:05,119
it

1564
01:00:15,349 --> 01:00:12,160
the chinese and we've done this stuff

1565
01:00:18,390 --> 01:00:15,359
too with mk ultra you know i i think

1566
01:00:21,430 --> 01:00:18,400
the to get the technology

1567
01:00:24,150 --> 01:00:21,440
and be the most powerful country

1568
01:00:26,230 --> 01:00:24,160
is job one you know i wrote a book once

1569
01:00:28,630 --> 01:00:26,240
where the opening scene i don't remember

1570
01:00:29,270 --> 01:00:28,640
which book i've written 10. but

1571
01:00:40,069 --> 01:00:29,280
i

1572
01:00:42,309 --> 01:00:40,079
what afar whatever the guy's name was

1573
01:00:44,870 --> 01:00:42,319
where he couldn't fire and locked up his

1574
01:00:48,390 --> 01:00:44,880
weapons yeah and then but it crashed but

1575
01:00:51,510 --> 01:00:48,400
it crashed that ufo it went down so in

1576
01:00:52,710 --> 01:00:51,520
the is the novel i wrote uh they back

1577
01:00:55,349 --> 01:00:52,720
engineered it

1578
01:00:58,230 --> 01:00:55,359
so there now that's why they're so bold

1579
01:01:00,230 --> 01:00:58,240
the uh you know the iranians right so in

1580
01:01:02,549 --> 01:01:00,240
this novel i wrote it was an opening i

1581
01:01:05,670 --> 01:01:02,559
know the book it's the uh

1582
01:01:08,230 --> 01:01:05,680
apophis 2029 is the book set in the year

1583
01:01:10,069 --> 01:01:08,240
2029. they challenge us but they don't

1584
01:01:11,430 --> 01:01:10,079
know we already have back engineered it

1585
01:01:13,349 --> 01:01:11,440
and we have an encounter over the

1586
01:01:14,870 --> 01:01:13,359
atlantic and that was just the opening

1587
01:01:17,030 --> 01:01:14,880
of the book

1588
01:01:19,510 --> 01:01:17,040
the interesting thing too is that acorn

1589
01:01:21,990 --> 01:01:19,520
or bell-shaped capsule that was seen

1590
01:01:22,829 --> 01:01:22,000
apparently had some weird griff glyph

1591
01:01:25,030 --> 01:01:22,839
type

1592
01:01:26,710 --> 01:01:25,040
hieroglyphs but i mean think about it if

1593
01:01:30,230 --> 01:01:26,720
you come from a small place and you've

1594
01:01:31,910 --> 01:01:30,240
never seen arabic writing or cyrillic or

1595
01:01:32,950 --> 01:01:31,920
you know any type of a middle eastern

1596
01:01:34,870 --> 01:01:32,960
culture

1597
01:01:36,470 --> 01:01:34,880
that would look like man that's alien

1598
01:01:37,510 --> 01:01:36,480
writing for sure what the hell is that

1599
01:01:39,030 --> 01:01:37,520
it doesn't look anything like the

1600
01:01:41,430 --> 01:01:39,040
lettering systems that we're accustomed

1601
01:01:43,670 --> 01:01:41,440
to so it's plausible that it was not

1602
01:01:45,910 --> 01:01:43,680
alien writing it could have been writing

1603
01:01:47,349 --> 01:01:45,920
from another culture right here on our

1604
01:01:49,510 --> 01:01:47,359
own planet right let me tell you a

1605
01:01:51,990 --> 01:01:49,520
little bit about kecksburg so so we we

1606
01:01:54,870 --> 01:01:52,000
went into that and those capsules were

1607
01:01:57,349 --> 01:01:54,880
first sent to england they were going to

1608
01:01:59,589 --> 01:01:57,359
be used there they were also capable of

1609
01:02:02,069 --> 01:01:59,599
of carrying atomic weapons

1610
01:02:05,349 --> 01:02:02,079
or nuclear weapons at that time or maybe

1611
01:02:08,549 --> 01:02:05,359
they were atomic no atomic in 65 right

1612
01:02:10,470 --> 01:02:08,559
and then they were shipped back and so

1613
01:02:12,069 --> 01:02:10,480
the engineers said look they had to be

1614
01:02:14,549 --> 01:02:12,079
some writing there had to be something

1615
01:02:18,630 --> 01:02:14,559
that they put around it but one of the

1616
01:02:20,549 --> 01:02:18,640
things we found was one of the witnesses

1617
01:02:22,230 --> 01:02:20,559
on the writing so there's some

1618
01:02:24,470 --> 01:02:22,240
scribbling and all stuff but there's a

1619
01:02:28,150 --> 01:02:24,480
five-pointed star your regular

1620
01:02:30,470 --> 01:02:28,160
five-pointed star on it in a circle

1621
01:02:32,069 --> 01:02:30,480
yeah that's an air force army symbol in

1622
01:02:34,470 --> 01:02:32,079
the united states

1623
01:02:36,470 --> 01:02:34,480
and that's on the base with the other

1624
01:02:39,109 --> 01:02:36,480
writing so that told me those were

1625
01:02:40,870 --> 01:02:39,119
military right so then the witnesses are

1626
01:02:44,309 --> 01:02:40,880
saying well when this thing's when it's

1627
01:02:46,870 --> 01:02:44,319
coming down over canada and detroit

1628
01:02:48,470 --> 01:02:46,880
uh it changes direction

1629
01:02:51,750 --> 01:02:48,480
i find a manual

1630
01:02:54,150 --> 01:02:51,760
from the air force a general statement

1631
01:02:56,549 --> 01:02:54,160
general's statement stating there's a

1632
01:02:59,029 --> 01:02:56,559
weight and balance system there they can

1633
01:03:00,870 --> 01:02:59,039
send a radio signal it it

1634
01:03:03,430 --> 01:03:00,880
tilts the weight and

1635
01:03:05,190 --> 01:03:03,440
off of the heavy air we can

1636
01:03:07,510 --> 01:03:05,200
change the direction and land it within

1637
01:03:09,589 --> 01:03:07,520
a hundred yards of where we want it to

1638
01:03:11,190 --> 01:03:09,599
so it doesn't crash into a city or kill

1639
01:03:13,670 --> 01:03:11,200
somebody right and where was this thing

1640
01:03:16,069 --> 01:03:13,680
headed straight at cleveland yeah and

1641
01:03:19,190 --> 01:03:16,079
pittsburgh so they they changed it a

1642
01:03:20,549 --> 01:03:19,200
little bit and we're 30 miles

1643
01:03:27,190 --> 01:03:20,559
south

1644
01:03:29,990 --> 01:03:27,200
the city right so that's explained

1645
01:03:32,309 --> 01:03:30,000
uh it had a copper alloy heat shield

1646
01:03:33,029 --> 01:03:32,319
which glows green because it's copper

1647
01:03:35,910 --> 01:03:33,039
right

1648
01:03:38,150 --> 01:03:35,920
people saw it glowing green coming in

1649
01:03:41,109 --> 01:03:38,160
they said four nasa guys were there

1650
01:03:43,190 --> 01:03:41,119
carrying a large box probably a lead box

1651
01:03:45,829 --> 01:03:43,200
because it had an atomic reactor they

1652
01:03:47,750 --> 01:03:45,839
were in radiation suits they saw blue

1653
01:03:49,670 --> 01:03:47,760
arcing in the woods well they're cutting

1654
01:03:52,069 --> 01:03:49,680
the thing open to get the generator out

1655
01:03:54,549 --> 01:03:52,079
of it they can't drive it down route 30

1656
01:03:55,670 --> 01:03:54,559
here with leaking radiation all over the

1657
01:03:58,789 --> 01:03:55,680
turnpike

1658
01:04:01,029 --> 01:03:58,799
you know we explained every single part

1659
01:04:02,470 --> 01:04:01,039
of that so you know as much as i like i

1660
01:04:04,710 --> 01:04:02,480
love a good story and i like all of

1661
01:04:06,870 --> 01:04:04,720
these to be true i think kecksburg was

1662
01:04:08,950 --> 01:04:06,880
the spy setup but get this

1663
01:04:11,109 --> 01:04:08,960
unsolved mysteries does their

1664
01:04:12,710 --> 01:04:11,119
investigation the sci-fi channel does

1665
01:04:15,910 --> 01:04:12,720
their investigation

1666
01:04:17,589 --> 01:04:15,920
nobody can locate one military officer

1667
01:04:20,069 --> 01:04:17,599
that was there

1668
01:04:23,270 --> 01:04:20,079
all we got is these statements and stuff

1669
01:04:24,950 --> 01:04:23,280
so we write the paper up it's the cover

1670
01:04:27,270 --> 01:04:24,960
of the pittsburgh not to cover the

1671
01:04:29,510 --> 01:04:27,280
living section cover of the pittsburgh

1672
01:04:31,589 --> 01:04:29,520
tribune uh post-gazette

1673
01:04:34,069 --> 01:04:31,599
that reporter was in the military puts

1674
01:04:37,190 --> 01:04:34,079
it on stars and stripes right

1675
01:04:40,470 --> 01:04:37,200
and then we i get contacted from a guy

1676
01:04:42,630 --> 01:04:40,480
up in maine he says my neighbor was the

1677
01:04:45,750 --> 01:04:42,640
guy who headed up the investigation he

1678
01:04:48,549 --> 01:04:45,760
would tell us all the time so he gave us

1679
01:04:51,190 --> 01:04:48,559
the the name we looked the guy up we

1680
01:04:54,390 --> 01:04:51,200
found the army officer that headed up

1681
01:04:57,270 --> 01:04:54,400
the kecksburg investiga recovery

1682
01:04:59,910 --> 01:04:57,280
retrieval so we did what nobody else was

1683
01:05:01,670 --> 01:04:59,920
able to do we identified who he was so

1684
01:05:04,069 --> 01:05:01,680
do you think that any of these cases

1685
01:05:06,390 --> 01:05:04,079
like the benny barney hill for instance

1686
01:05:09,109 --> 01:05:06,400
uh was that

1687
01:05:11,750 --> 01:05:09,119
human related technology is that

1688
01:05:12,549 --> 01:05:11,760
something that kind of borders into the

1689
01:05:14,789 --> 01:05:12,559
uh

1690
01:05:16,230 --> 01:05:14,799
sort of the gray area and that's kind of

1691
01:05:19,029 --> 01:05:16,240
pun intended there but you know there

1692
01:05:21,270 --> 01:05:19,039
were little gray men uh do do you think

1693
01:05:24,549 --> 01:05:21,280
that that the phenomenon of abduction is

1694
01:05:26,390 --> 01:05:24,559
something that is currently ongoing yeah

1695
01:05:28,470 --> 01:05:26,400
yeah i think so but the thing has

1696
01:05:30,789 --> 01:05:28,480
changed uh i believe the betty and

1697
01:05:32,950 --> 01:05:30,799
bonnie hill i believe mostly my biggest

1698
01:05:34,710 --> 01:05:32,960
belief is travis walton good friend of

1699
01:05:37,510 --> 01:05:34,720
mine i was talking to him about an hour

1700
01:05:39,990 --> 01:05:37,520
before he got on the show um

1701
01:05:41,829 --> 01:05:40,000
i believe his case he's he's passed five

1702
01:05:42,789 --> 01:05:41,839
six poly graphs

1703
01:05:44,069 --> 01:05:42,799
you know

1704
01:05:47,190 --> 01:05:44,079
but

1705
01:05:49,109 --> 01:05:47,200
it let's see that was in the 70s no

1706
01:05:51,589 --> 01:05:49,119
that's that couldn't be our technology

1707
01:05:54,069 --> 01:05:51,599
know even though he did run into these

1708
01:05:55,670 --> 01:05:54,079
officers that he thought was ours yeah

1709
01:05:59,029 --> 01:05:55,680
they looked like schwarzenegger you know

1710
01:06:01,270 --> 01:05:59,039
they were big muscular nordics

1711
01:06:02,950 --> 01:06:01,280
now yeah you better you know they took

1712
01:06:04,470 --> 01:06:02,960
them and put the gas mask on them and

1713
01:06:06,630 --> 01:06:04,480
knocked them out but

1714
01:06:09,109 --> 01:06:06,640
you know those are all good but it's a

1715
01:06:10,549 --> 01:06:09,119
strange thing this abduction thing so i

1716
01:06:13,990 --> 01:06:10,559
got a whole different view now on the

1717
01:06:16,789 --> 01:06:14,000
abduction thing is uh i agree with dr

1718
01:06:19,910 --> 01:06:16,799
david jacobs i don't agree with kathy

1719
01:06:22,789 --> 01:06:19,920
kathleen martin and uh there's a segment

1720
01:06:25,750 --> 01:06:22,799
of the ufo field with ray hernandez and

1721
01:06:27,589 --> 01:06:25,760
that free organization and you know it i

1722
01:06:28,950 --> 01:06:27,599
don't want to say they've become liberal

1723
01:06:31,029 --> 01:06:28,960
but you know they think the alien

1724
01:06:33,270 --> 01:06:31,039
abduction is a good thing you know it's

1725
01:06:35,430 --> 01:06:33,280
good to get abducted it's positive in

1726
01:06:37,589 --> 01:06:35,440
your life i remember telling ray

1727
01:06:40,230 --> 01:06:37,599
hernandez if it's so

1728
01:06:41,829 --> 01:06:40,240
good offer your grandkids up for an

1729
01:06:43,270 --> 01:06:41,839
abduction it's got to be better than

1730
01:06:45,829 --> 01:06:43,280
public school

1731
01:06:48,630 --> 01:06:45,839
you know but every case prior to the

1732
01:06:51,029 --> 01:06:48,640
last five years let's say

1733
01:06:54,069 --> 01:06:51,039
over 90 of the abductions has been

1734
01:06:56,470 --> 01:06:54,079
negative even jacques valet said it has

1735
01:06:59,510 --> 01:06:56,480
all the markers of

1736
01:07:02,230 --> 01:06:59,520
paganism and that type of stuff

1737
01:07:05,270 --> 01:07:02,240
and i think i took kenneth ring's

1738
01:07:06,950 --> 01:07:05,280
research where he compared near-death

1739
01:07:08,630 --> 01:07:06,960
experience

1740
01:07:10,150 --> 01:07:08,640
and

1741
01:07:12,630 --> 01:07:10,160
alien abduction

1742
01:07:16,710 --> 01:07:12,640
and i then read all the books on

1743
01:07:19,750 --> 01:07:16,720
exorcism and uh hauntings and i compared

1744
01:07:21,670 --> 01:07:19,760
his research to demonic infestation

1745
01:07:24,470 --> 01:07:21,680
there's about a 70

1746
01:07:28,710 --> 01:07:24,480
overlap in the alien abduction

1747
01:07:31,109 --> 01:07:28,720
to a demonic case 70 percent

1748
01:07:33,109 --> 01:07:31,119
and uh i i think i was telling this to

1749
01:07:35,270 --> 01:07:33,119
somebody recently oh i'll tell you i

1750
01:07:37,349 --> 01:07:35,280
became when i ran for governor i became

1751
01:07:39,029 --> 01:07:37,359
friends with the pittsburgh militia you

1752
01:07:41,430 --> 01:07:39,039
know the militia guys

1753
01:07:43,190 --> 01:07:41,440
right yeah i became cause somebody went

1754
01:07:44,950 --> 01:07:43,200
after them one of the other candidates i

1755
01:07:46,630 --> 01:07:44,960
came to their defense you know they're

1756
01:07:49,510 --> 01:07:46,640
not starting any trouble these guys come

1757
01:07:51,670 --> 01:07:49,520
to our political events and provide free

1758
01:07:54,630 --> 01:07:51,680
security i became real good friends with

1759
01:07:56,230 --> 01:07:54,640
them so we we we were discussing this

1760
01:07:58,710 --> 01:07:56,240
and i just lost my train of thought what

1761
01:08:01,670 --> 01:07:58,720
was we just discussing uh about the uh

1762
01:08:05,510 --> 01:08:01,680
alien abductions okay yeah abduct yeah

1763
01:08:08,789 --> 01:08:05,520
so so i i i you got a 70

1764
01:08:09,829 --> 01:08:08,799
uh overlap uh with the demonic stuff you

1765
01:08:11,829 --> 01:08:09,839
know so

1766
01:08:13,750 --> 01:08:11,839
in my mind

1767
01:08:16,309 --> 01:08:13,760
there's been a change here

1768
01:08:17,349 --> 01:08:16,319
david jacobs has always felt it was very

1769
01:08:20,309 --> 01:08:17,359
negative

1770
01:08:22,950 --> 01:08:20,319
they were here for hybridization

1771
01:08:25,749 --> 01:08:22,960
and and uh they've gone four or five

1772
01:08:27,910 --> 01:08:25,759
generations now let's say since the 40s

1773
01:08:30,309 --> 01:08:27,920
and they've infiltrated government

1774
01:08:33,030 --> 01:08:30,319
they've infiltrated uh

1775
01:08:35,910 --> 01:08:33,040
ceos of corporations i mean the google

1776
01:08:37,829 --> 01:08:35,920
guy looks looks like data to me right

1777
01:08:39,669 --> 01:08:37,839
the guy at georgia google but think

1778
01:08:41,669 --> 01:08:39,679
about it and you see in this country the

1779
01:08:43,990 --> 01:08:41,679
changes here are happening so quickly in

1780
01:08:46,309 --> 01:08:44,000
the u.s almost they're being

1781
01:08:49,189 --> 01:08:46,319
orchestrated and of course i think it's

1782
01:08:52,470 --> 01:08:49,199
soros and that type but

1783
01:08:55,269 --> 01:08:52,480
something is changing our culture here

1784
01:08:57,990 --> 01:08:55,279
very quickly but um

1785
01:09:00,470 --> 01:08:58,000
so you know i i looked i looked at it

1786
01:09:02,390 --> 01:09:00,480
and i said look

1787
01:09:05,669 --> 01:09:02,400
carla turner if you're familiar with her

1788
01:09:07,510 --> 01:09:05,679
cases uh where she was abducted her her

1789
01:09:10,229 --> 01:09:07,520
husband her son

1790
01:09:12,149 --> 01:09:10,239
all three had the same dreams

1791
01:09:16,149 --> 01:09:12,159
uh you know

1792
01:09:17,910 --> 01:09:16,159
windows rattling doors rattling uh

1793
01:09:20,550 --> 01:09:17,920
you could hear something walking with

1794
01:09:22,709 --> 01:09:20,560
nails and claws and i'm reading this

1795
01:09:25,430 --> 01:09:22,719
saying this is how is this alien how is

1796
01:09:27,349 --> 01:09:25,440
this an alien thing you know the sun

1797
01:09:28,950 --> 01:09:27,359
becomes almost possessed

1798
01:09:30,709 --> 01:09:28,960
he's in a parking lot with his

1799
01:09:32,550 --> 01:09:30,719
girlfriend and he's trying to get her

1800
01:09:34,709 --> 01:09:32,560
out from under the street lamp come over

1801
01:09:37,349 --> 01:09:34,719
here in the dark i have somebody for you

1802
01:09:40,229 --> 01:09:37,359
to meet the whole thing was absolutely

1803
01:09:43,030 --> 01:09:40,239
uh creepy and uh matter of fact her last

1804
01:09:45,110 --> 01:09:43,040
book she said some remark about

1805
01:09:48,149 --> 01:09:45,120
if you think these are

1806
01:09:49,749 --> 01:09:48,159
aliens or angels you know and i can't

1807
01:09:52,470 --> 01:09:49,759
remember the name of the book destiny of

1808
01:09:54,870 --> 01:09:52,480
angels whatever she called it uh she

1809
01:09:57,270 --> 01:09:54,880
says this is a complete uh

1810
01:10:00,470 --> 01:09:57,280
trick you know and the more you look at

1811
01:10:02,790 --> 01:10:00,480
valet even uh highnick

1812
01:10:05,990 --> 01:10:02,800
said this is interdimensional valet and

1813
01:10:07,750 --> 01:10:06,000
keel all say that this is demonic and

1814
01:10:10,870 --> 01:10:07,760
you know if this time at the end i'll

1815
01:10:12,550 --> 01:10:10,880
tell you about my one and only yeah go

1816
01:10:14,149 --> 01:10:12,560
ahead let's do it let's do it right now

1817
01:10:15,910 --> 01:10:14,159
we're right here here we go this is

1818
01:10:17,030 --> 01:10:15,920
going to change the whole show on you

1819
01:10:19,750 --> 01:10:17,040
all right um

1820
01:10:23,110 --> 01:10:19,760
and and this is really interesting

1821
01:10:26,070 --> 01:10:23,120
night i joined mufon in 98 right so in

1822
01:10:28,070 --> 01:10:26,080
99 i go to the first symposium because

1823
01:10:31,350 --> 01:10:28,080
it's close by it's in dc northern

1824
01:10:33,590 --> 01:10:31,360
virginia i drive it's only 200 miles so

1825
01:10:35,669 --> 01:10:33,600
i drive there i go to the symposium it's

1826
01:10:39,510 --> 01:10:35,679
great i meet all these people i'm loving

1827
01:10:40,950 --> 01:10:39,520
it right and uh i get home the next four

1828
01:10:43,350 --> 01:10:40,960
nights were

1829
01:10:46,870 --> 01:10:43,360
nothing but a haunting

1830
01:10:49,030 --> 01:10:46,880
uh lucid dreams there is something a

1831
01:10:51,510 --> 01:10:49,040
presence in my room

1832
01:10:53,750 --> 01:10:51,520
and and in my opinion this is not alien

1833
01:10:55,990 --> 01:10:53,760
i'm waking i'm seeing this creature

1834
01:10:58,229 --> 01:10:56,000
standing next to me i'm waking up every

1835
01:10:59,590 --> 01:10:58,239
hour swinging my fist because i know

1836
01:11:02,070 --> 01:10:59,600
it's right next to me i hit the

1837
01:11:02,870 --> 01:11:02,080
headboard uh the post almost broke my

1838
01:11:03,990 --> 01:11:02,880
wrist

1839
01:11:05,990 --> 01:11:04,000
um

1840
01:11:08,229 --> 01:11:06,000
i have an out of body experience where

1841
01:11:11,110 --> 01:11:08,239
i'm floating over the house i see my

1842
01:11:13,030 --> 01:11:11,120
green grand cherokee spark there and for

1843
01:11:14,709 --> 01:11:13,040
a second i said touch the peak of the

1844
01:11:15,669 --> 01:11:14,719
roof the peak of the roof was right

1845
01:11:17,590 --> 01:11:15,679
there

1846
01:11:18,870 --> 01:11:17,600
and i was saying touch it

1847
01:11:20,950 --> 01:11:18,880
i don't know if i woke up i might have

1848
01:11:22,149 --> 01:11:20,960
fell i don't know what would happen but

1849
01:11:24,630 --> 01:11:22,159
you know it

1850
01:11:26,709 --> 01:11:24,640
then i see these two hybrid kids

1851
01:11:29,030 --> 01:11:26,719
right there's they're there

1852
01:11:31,510 --> 01:11:29,040
and i have dobermans i always have my

1853
01:11:34,870 --> 01:11:31,520
doberman's floating in the air uh

1854
01:11:37,270 --> 01:11:34,880
horizontally his legs are sticking out

1855
01:11:39,750 --> 01:11:37,280
this kid's poking him right and i'm

1856
01:11:41,910 --> 01:11:39,760
yelling at the kid stop poking the dog

1857
01:11:43,910 --> 01:11:41,920
and i think back on it

1858
01:11:46,630 --> 01:11:43,920
i couldn't see anything else in a room

1859
01:11:48,310 --> 01:11:46,640
it was like a beige color

1860
01:11:50,870 --> 01:11:48,320
i i couldn't see furniture i couldn't

1861
01:11:54,390 --> 01:11:50,880
see anything but the kids and the kid

1862
01:11:56,310 --> 01:11:54,400
turns around he's got big bug eyes

1863
01:11:58,870 --> 01:11:56,320
hair plugs

1864
01:12:01,189 --> 01:11:58,880
gigantic forearms you know like twice

1865
01:12:03,750 --> 01:12:01,199
the size of mine the bone is like

1866
01:12:06,630 --> 01:12:03,760
sticking out on the end of the forearm

1867
01:12:08,950 --> 01:12:06,640
like some genetic mutation

1868
01:12:11,110 --> 01:12:08,960
you know and he has no shirt on and he's

1869
01:12:13,910 --> 01:12:11,120
the creepiest looking thing then there's

1870
01:12:16,950 --> 01:12:13,920
another kid standing next to him in like

1871
01:12:18,870 --> 01:12:16,960
looked like nosferatu hair was pulled

1872
01:12:20,310 --> 01:12:18,880
back and i'm talking 12 year old kids

1873
01:12:24,310 --> 01:12:20,320
you know

1874
01:12:26,790 --> 01:12:24,320
had like a rat face with the teeth

1875
01:12:28,870 --> 01:12:26,800
hair was slicked back uh wearing like a

1876
01:12:31,750 --> 01:12:28,880
black outfit like the vampire like

1877
01:12:34,630 --> 01:12:31,760
nosferatu this is the weirdest stuff so

1878
01:12:37,430 --> 01:12:34,640
i you know here i am i'm i i'm a joint

1879
01:12:40,870 --> 01:12:37,440
mufon but my girlfriend jumps on the ufo

1880
01:12:44,149 --> 01:12:40,880
site uh and she says john the night you

1881
01:12:47,030 --> 01:12:44,159
got home there's a ufo sighting in penn

1882
01:12:50,229 --> 01:12:47,040
state and in morgantown west virginia

1883
01:12:52,950 --> 01:12:50,239
your house is in direct line of those

1884
01:12:54,790 --> 01:12:52,960
two sightings so i i don't know what

1885
01:12:56,870 --> 01:12:54,800
this thing is but to me it was very

1886
01:12:58,790 --> 01:12:56,880
paranormal could have been

1887
01:13:01,270 --> 01:12:58,800
ufo right

1888
01:13:02,390 --> 01:13:01,280
the time every

1889
01:13:04,950 --> 01:13:02,400
you know

1890
01:13:08,070 --> 01:13:04,960
a lot of thanksgivings i have some sort

1891
01:13:10,229 --> 01:13:08,080
of poltergeist paranormal activity

1892
01:13:12,630 --> 01:13:10,239
and it's when my kids are here i get

1893
01:13:15,430 --> 01:13:12,640
them for thanksgiving my my ex got them

1894
01:13:17,350 --> 01:13:15,440
for uh christmas but it and it wasn't

1895
01:13:20,070 --> 01:13:17,360
you know i'm a high level executive and

1896
01:13:22,790 --> 01:13:20,080
i'm really busy and i'm on five boards

1897
01:13:24,870 --> 01:13:22,800
of charities and stuff but things would

1898
01:13:26,709 --> 01:13:24,880
happen and there were witnesses and

1899
01:13:28,709 --> 01:13:26,719
other people and my kids and my

1900
01:13:30,870 --> 01:13:28,719
girlfriends and they would say you know

1901
01:13:33,189 --> 01:13:30,880
what is this you know and then nothing

1902
01:13:35,430 --> 01:13:33,199
happens for 18 months two years three

1903
01:13:36,870 --> 01:13:35,440
years so

1904
01:13:39,430 --> 01:13:36,880
real quickly

1905
01:13:42,070 --> 01:13:39,440
uh it's it escalates

1906
01:13:44,390 --> 01:13:42,080
and more and more things start happening

1907
01:13:47,669 --> 01:13:44,400
paranormal things we hear walking in the

1908
01:13:50,149 --> 01:13:47,679
hallway um there's a hand prints like

1909
01:13:52,390 --> 01:13:50,159
this on my bathroom mirror

1910
01:13:54,709 --> 01:13:52,400
four inches longer than my arm i'm six

1911
01:13:57,350 --> 01:13:54,719
feet that puts it seven feet has six

1912
01:14:01,189 --> 01:13:57,360
fingers i have it on video

1913
01:14:02,950 --> 01:14:01,199
the mirror and a polaroid right uh my

1914
01:14:04,790 --> 01:14:02,960
kids start telling me about stuff that

1915
01:14:06,390 --> 01:14:04,800
happened in our jersey house and this is

1916
01:14:08,630 --> 01:14:06,400
all haunting stuff

1917
01:14:11,350 --> 01:14:08,640
voices in the wall a

1918
01:14:13,669 --> 01:14:11,360
rocking chair in the spare bedroom and a

1919
01:14:15,270 --> 01:14:13,679
baby crying my girlfriend at the time

1920
01:14:17,030 --> 01:14:15,280
tells me the same thing and she never

1921
01:14:19,590 --> 01:14:17,040
talked to my daughter my daughter didn't

1922
01:14:23,430 --> 01:14:19,600
tell me about that until years later we

1923
01:14:25,350 --> 01:14:23,440
moved to uh new jersey and all the boxes

1924
01:14:27,910 --> 01:14:25,360
are sliding around

1925
01:14:29,750 --> 01:14:27,920
from oklahoma we went to new jersey the

1926
01:14:31,430 --> 01:14:29,760
boxes are sliding around the garage

1927
01:14:33,350 --> 01:14:31,440
floor you can hear them sliding my

1928
01:14:35,830 --> 01:14:33,360
father comes over and says john what is

1929
01:14:38,070 --> 01:14:35,840
that said i don't know dad the moving

1930
01:14:41,270 --> 01:14:38,080
boxes slide around the floor

1931
01:14:44,070 --> 01:14:41,280
all of this stuff and um

1932
01:14:47,430 --> 01:14:44,080
and but then it starts to escalate and

1933
01:14:49,110 --> 01:14:47,440
uh my daughter has an experience they're

1934
01:14:52,149 --> 01:14:49,120
sleeping over

1935
01:14:53,910 --> 01:14:52,159
and she gets attacked by shadow people

1936
01:14:56,550 --> 01:14:53,920
she they're all around her bed one

1937
01:14:59,510 --> 01:14:56,560
presses into her body right and she

1938
01:15:01,189 --> 01:14:59,520
hears them all talking and it's the one

1939
01:15:03,350 --> 01:15:01,199
in the doorway says

1940
01:15:05,750 --> 01:15:03,360
uh when you're done with her i want to

1941
01:15:07,590 --> 01:15:05,760
try out the other two meaning my son and

1942
01:15:10,229 --> 01:15:07,600
his fiance in the next room but she

1943
01:15:13,430 --> 01:15:10,239
wouldn't have made that wording up uh

1944
01:15:15,350 --> 01:15:13,440
there's another time where i wake up at

1945
01:15:17,350 --> 01:15:15,360
five in the morning

1946
01:15:19,350 --> 01:15:17,360
and my bed sits where i could see right

1947
01:15:21,910 --> 01:15:19,360
down the hall there's somebody standing

1948
01:15:24,229 --> 01:15:21,920
there and i'm looking and you know i'm

1949
01:15:26,630 --> 01:15:24,239
rubbing my eyes smacking my face what is

1950
01:15:29,030 --> 01:15:26,640
this there's a guy standing at the end

1951
01:15:31,270 --> 01:15:29,040
of the hallway he's back lit

1952
01:15:33,990 --> 01:15:31,280
and and it's at the the door for the

1953
01:15:36,470 --> 01:15:34,000
attic right he's he's above the door

1954
01:15:38,790 --> 01:15:36,480
frame but he has a square head i'm

1955
01:15:40,070 --> 01:15:38,800
saying this is he wearing a helmet is

1956
01:15:41,189 --> 01:15:40,080
this is this

1957
01:15:44,070 --> 01:15:41,199
alien

1958
01:15:45,910 --> 01:15:44,080
the thing had about a 12-inch waist it

1959
01:15:47,350 --> 01:15:45,920
was so small

1960
01:15:50,310 --> 01:15:47,360
and slender

1961
01:15:52,070 --> 01:15:50,320
and long arms and legs and a square head

1962
01:15:54,709 --> 01:15:52,080
but i can't make our features because

1963
01:15:56,630 --> 01:15:54,719
it's backlit right so

1964
01:15:59,110 --> 01:15:56,640
i crawl to the footboard we're 20

1965
01:16:00,870 --> 01:15:59,120
seconds into this at least right i see

1966
01:16:03,430 --> 01:16:00,880
him i said okay

1967
01:16:04,870 --> 01:16:03,440
you're taking kickboxing step over the

1968
01:16:06,630 --> 01:16:04,880
footboard

1969
01:16:07,430 --> 01:16:06,640
charge him and hit him as hard as you

1970
01:16:09,110 --> 01:16:07,440
can

1971
01:16:11,510 --> 01:16:09,120
as soon as i thought that this other

1972
01:16:13,669 --> 01:16:11,520
voice in my head says

1973
01:16:15,990 --> 01:16:13,679
you don't want to do that you that could

1974
01:16:17,990 --> 01:16:16,000
be unsafe you want to step off the bed

1975
01:16:22,149 --> 01:16:18,000
and turn the light on of course i go do

1976
01:16:24,470 --> 01:16:22,159
that he's gone right and uh i go my dog

1977
01:16:26,790 --> 01:16:24,480
my doberman is sleeping in the hallway

1978
01:16:28,790 --> 01:16:26,800
at the top of the stairs i walk past

1979
01:16:30,630 --> 01:16:28,800
them he don't wake up so i go down the

1980
01:16:32,790 --> 01:16:30,640
hallway look for uh footprints there's

1981
01:16:34,790 --> 01:16:32,800
nothing there i go back to bed i look at

1982
01:16:36,550 --> 01:16:34,800
him he's sound asleep you can't walk

1983
01:16:38,709 --> 01:16:36,560
past the dog but i'm not acknowledging

1984
01:16:41,510 --> 01:16:38,719
you and waking up but i'm thinking like

1985
01:16:43,350 --> 01:16:41,520
the alien stuff you know the husband's

1986
01:16:44,790 --> 01:16:43,360
sleeping and the wife is taking that

1987
01:16:46,709 --> 01:16:44,800
that type of thing

1988
01:16:49,030 --> 01:16:46,719
um yeah i mean that's that's one

1989
01:16:54,070 --> 01:16:49,040
instance that there were just so

1990
01:16:57,270 --> 01:16:54,080
many of these things and then it in 2014

1991
01:17:00,229 --> 01:16:57,280
it escalated into what i just consider a

1992
01:17:03,270 --> 01:17:00,239
very demonic encounter

1993
01:17:05,350 --> 01:17:03,280
20th anniversary of of my divorce

1994
01:17:08,470 --> 01:17:05,360
and i'm sitting watching the baseball

1995
01:17:10,550 --> 01:17:08,480
game my i have 108 pound over and he

1996
01:17:13,590 --> 01:17:10,560
is laying on my legs

1997
01:17:14,870 --> 01:17:13,600
there's a sonic boom on the wall

1998
01:17:17,669 --> 01:17:14,880
boom

1999
01:17:20,390 --> 01:17:17,679
we both turned so the dog heard it the

2000
01:17:23,270 --> 01:17:20,400
pictures flip up on the wall

2001
01:17:25,189 --> 01:17:23,280
uh the one picture flips up and there's

2002
01:17:27,590 --> 01:17:25,199
two indian headdresses and the feathers

2003
01:17:30,390 --> 01:17:27,600
blow to the side and the dog saw it

2004
01:17:33,189 --> 01:17:30,400
because he reacted exactly with me i go

2005
01:17:34,390 --> 01:17:33,199
upstairs and um

2006
01:17:36,630 --> 01:17:34,400
there's this

2007
01:17:37,990 --> 01:17:36,640
smell in the hallway like a column like

2008
01:17:39,030 --> 01:17:38,000
rotting flesh

2009
01:17:45,750 --> 01:17:39,040
it

2010
01:17:47,189 --> 01:17:45,760
bathroom fan on i finish the game i go

2011
01:17:50,390 --> 01:17:47,199
to bed

2012
01:17:51,830 --> 01:17:50,400
it's still there right and uh again in

2013
01:17:53,030 --> 01:17:51,840
my bathroom

2014
01:17:54,950 --> 01:17:53,040
boom

2015
01:17:57,350 --> 01:17:54,960
the dog's sleeping on that little chair

2016
01:17:58,870 --> 01:17:57,360
at the footboard him and i both turn and

2017
01:18:00,870 --> 01:17:58,880
look at the same time

2018
01:18:02,870 --> 01:18:00,880
i don't know what this is but there was

2019
01:18:04,470 --> 01:18:02,880
so many of those occurrences and i'm

2020
01:18:07,350 --> 01:18:04,480
talking to

2021
01:18:09,110 --> 01:18:07,360
kathy martin nick redfearn my local

2022
01:18:10,870 --> 01:18:09,120
friends a lot of the investigators i

2023
01:18:12,630 --> 01:18:10,880
recruited or ghost hunters they're

2024
01:18:14,630 --> 01:18:12,640
saying john you got some sort of demonic

2025
01:18:17,590 --> 01:18:14,640
entity in there the ufo people are

2026
01:18:18,790 --> 01:18:17,600
telling me this is alien you know and uh

2027
01:18:21,030 --> 01:18:18,800
you know when when you went to that

2028
01:18:23,350 --> 01:18:21,040
conference in 99 that was an alien

2029
01:18:25,030 --> 01:18:23,360
encounter those are hybrid kids the

2030
01:18:27,350 --> 01:18:25,040
things standing down the hallway had a

2031
01:18:29,510 --> 01:18:27,360
square head it's probably a helmet and i

2032
01:18:32,470 --> 01:18:29,520
also when that all

2033
01:18:34,709 --> 01:18:32,480
ended when i laid down i it was like

2034
01:18:37,030 --> 01:18:34,719
this dim light outside in the windows

2035
01:18:38,149 --> 01:18:37,040
that got less and less and less so i

2036
01:18:41,110 --> 01:18:38,159
don't know but

2037
01:18:43,830 --> 01:18:41,120
my encounters with this and it really

2038
01:18:44,709 --> 01:18:43,840
went on and on to uh

2039
01:18:49,830 --> 01:18:44,719
it

2040
01:18:52,790 --> 01:18:49,840
walls this is a full-blown poltergeist

2041
01:18:54,630 --> 01:18:52,800
type encounter and uh

2042
01:18:56,310 --> 01:18:54,640
i had a priest come in and he blessed

2043
01:18:58,709 --> 01:18:56,320
the house and went away for about six

2044
01:19:00,550 --> 01:18:58,719
months but in talking to him he didn't

2045
01:19:02,310 --> 01:19:00,560
believe the devil was a real entity you

2046
01:19:04,070 --> 01:19:02,320
know so i said this ain't gonna work and

2047
01:19:07,270 --> 01:19:04,080
it didn't so

2048
01:19:08,470 --> 01:19:07,280
this thing i went through 22 months of

2049
01:19:10,229 --> 01:19:08,480
uh

2050
01:19:12,630 --> 01:19:10,239
of every night going to bed and having

2051
01:19:14,870 --> 01:19:12,640
something poking me poking me in the

2052
01:19:16,470 --> 01:19:14,880
head i had a

2053
01:19:20,630 --> 01:19:16,480
burn mark on my head i had to go to

2054
01:19:24,790 --> 01:19:21,590
it was just

2055
01:19:27,350 --> 01:19:24,800
to me was so negative and so i started

2056
01:19:30,390 --> 01:19:27,360
comparing like i had said the demonic

2057
01:19:32,470 --> 01:19:30,400
possession uh intel infiltration to

2058
01:19:35,030 --> 01:19:32,480
alien abductions and

2059
01:19:38,390 --> 01:19:35,040
so much of it was an overlap like i said

2060
01:19:40,870 --> 01:19:38,400
70 so i look at the i look at the alien

2061
01:19:43,030 --> 01:19:40,880
abduction as being demonic

2062
01:19:45,110 --> 01:19:43,040
i look at the hybridization that they

2063
01:19:47,110 --> 01:19:45,120
talk about and i don't think it's a good

2064
01:19:49,669 --> 01:19:47,120
thing i agree with david jacobs it's a

2065
01:19:51,510 --> 01:19:49,679
negative thing but i see it as a return

2066
01:19:53,350 --> 01:19:51,520
of the nephilim

2067
01:19:56,709 --> 01:19:53,360
it's the same thing that these demonic

2068
01:19:58,470 --> 01:19:56,719
entities these fallen angels did uh you

2069
01:20:00,550 --> 01:19:58,480
know when they saw the women of man and

2070
01:20:02,950 --> 01:20:00,560
they materialized and were able to mate

2071
01:20:05,590 --> 01:20:02,960
with them you know but what's the goal

2072
01:20:07,350 --> 01:20:05,600
of all of that the goal of that is to

2073
01:20:08,950 --> 01:20:07,360
corrupt the dna

2074
01:20:10,790 --> 01:20:08,960
the same thing you're doing with

2075
01:20:13,030 --> 01:20:10,800
hybridization the same thing that the

2076
01:20:17,430 --> 01:20:13,040
nephilim did i just see it as a really

2077
01:20:19,270 --> 01:20:17,440
as a repeat of the same thing now

2078
01:20:22,149 --> 01:20:19,280
there's so much more i could say but you

2079
01:20:24,790 --> 01:20:22,159
know the people who don't believe

2080
01:20:26,870 --> 01:20:24,800
let's say the religious side the uh

2081
01:20:29,189 --> 01:20:26,880
creation's true they don't believe in

2082
01:20:31,030 --> 01:20:29,199
god they think i'm nuts right because

2083
01:20:33,189 --> 01:20:31,040
but the ghost people i talked to all

2084
01:20:35,189 --> 01:20:33,199
said yep i did you had a demon in your

2085
01:20:37,910 --> 01:20:35,199
house that was not a poltergeist or a

2086
01:20:41,270 --> 01:20:37,920
ghost that was a demonic entity and so

2087
01:20:43,750 --> 01:20:41,280
the way i got rid of it uh no i was able

2088
01:20:45,669 --> 01:20:43,760
to drive it off

2089
01:20:48,149 --> 01:20:45,679
calling upon jesus you can't say

2090
01:20:50,629 --> 01:20:48,159
yourself i would use the name of jesus

2091
01:20:52,390 --> 01:20:50,639
and these things would stop and i met

2092
01:20:54,629 --> 01:20:52,400
joe jordan i don't know if you know joe

2093
01:20:57,430 --> 01:20:54,639
jordan i think i've interviewed him a

2094
01:21:00,310 --> 01:20:57,440
while while back ago yeah yeah so joe

2095
01:21:03,350 --> 01:21:00,320
jordan he was he went from florida to

2096
01:21:05,189 --> 01:21:03,360
south korea was the country mufon person

2097
01:21:07,430 --> 01:21:05,199
and he's back in florida again he's

2098
01:21:09,350 --> 01:21:07,440
telling me john this is

2099
01:21:12,310 --> 01:21:09,360
the alien abduction is demonic and he

2100
01:21:14,470 --> 01:21:12,320
wrote a book on it over 150 cases where

2101
01:21:16,870 --> 01:21:14,480
people called upon jesus so i'm

2102
01:21:18,790 --> 01:21:16,880
following his advice i meet this woman

2103
01:21:21,270 --> 01:21:18,800
out of the blue on a dating site that

2104
01:21:23,830 --> 01:21:21,280
had demonic encounters at the catholic

2105
01:21:26,870 --> 01:21:23,840
school she went to she's telling me what

2106
01:21:29,030 --> 01:21:26,880
to do and it's working i'm able to repel

2107
01:21:31,270 --> 01:21:29,040
it by using the name of jesus it's

2108
01:21:33,350 --> 01:21:31,280
really the only way you can repel it is

2109
01:21:36,390 --> 01:21:33,360
by using a divinity you know not

2110
01:21:37,110 --> 01:21:36,400
yourself because that's a challenge and

2111
01:21:40,070 --> 01:21:37,120
but

2112
01:21:43,350 --> 01:21:40,080
another time while this is in almost

2113
01:21:46,790 --> 01:21:43,360
over in april of 16

2114
01:21:48,550 --> 01:21:46,800
i go to visit my daughter i fly back

2115
01:21:50,790 --> 01:21:48,560
i sit down and i say i'm writing a book

2116
01:21:53,030 --> 01:21:50,800
on this which i did called i called it

2117
01:21:55,590 --> 01:21:53,040
the first book was the ufologist the

2118
01:21:57,910 --> 01:21:55,600
haunting of john venturing and

2119
01:22:00,550 --> 01:21:57,920
i sit down and i start typing

2120
01:22:02,790 --> 01:22:00,560
my yard bursts into flames

2121
01:22:05,189 --> 01:22:02,800
literally burst into flames i got

2122
01:22:07,830 --> 01:22:05,199
pictures of this i'm not making it up so

2123
01:22:09,750 --> 01:22:07,840
i look i see three guys i happen to live

2124
01:22:11,830 --> 01:22:09,760
next to a cemetery but i got a stockade

2125
01:22:13,830 --> 01:22:11,840
fence i see three guys in the cemetery i

2126
01:22:16,629 --> 01:22:13,840
called the police they said no they

2127
01:22:19,189 --> 01:22:16,639
reported it before you right

2128
01:22:21,910 --> 01:22:19,199
the the flames are moving against the

2129
01:22:24,629 --> 01:22:21,920
wind they never enter my yard it's

2130
01:22:26,790 --> 01:22:24,639
fenced in a chain link in the back

2131
01:22:28,709 --> 01:22:26,800
they're on the other side

2132
01:22:32,390 --> 01:22:28,719
and i counted the poles

2133
01:22:34,709 --> 01:22:32,400
72 feet it burst into flames now i had

2134
01:22:36,790 --> 01:22:34,719
put blessed pendants at the four corners

2135
01:22:37,750 --> 01:22:36,800
of my yard and the four corners of the

2136
01:22:39,910 --> 01:22:37,760
house

2137
01:22:42,790 --> 01:22:39,920
you know and i believe that's why the

2138
01:22:44,550 --> 01:22:42,800
the fire never entered my yard yet it's

2139
01:22:46,550 --> 01:22:44,560
it's burning everything on the other

2140
01:22:48,070 --> 01:22:46,560
side so

2141
01:22:49,590 --> 01:22:48,080
after the after the fire department

2142
01:22:52,070 --> 01:22:49,600
comes puts it out

2143
01:22:54,310 --> 01:22:52,080
uh i get a phone call from the uh the

2144
01:22:55,750 --> 01:22:54,320
mausoleum guy and he goes oh how you

2145
01:22:58,390 --> 01:22:55,760
like your headstone i had already

2146
01:23:00,390 --> 01:22:58,400
ordered my headstone six feet tall in

2147
01:23:03,669 --> 01:23:00,400
the shape of the holy bible says holy

2148
01:23:05,990 --> 01:23:03,679
bible religious markings and stuff

2149
01:23:08,229 --> 01:23:06,000
the minute those three guys installed

2150
01:23:11,910 --> 01:23:08,239
the six foot bible

2151
01:23:14,629 --> 01:23:11,920
headstone the yard burst into flames

2152
01:23:16,470 --> 01:23:14,639
that's something demonic entities can do

2153
01:23:18,470 --> 01:23:16,480
which is why during exorcisms they

2154
01:23:21,750 --> 01:23:18,480
remove all the furniture the curtains

2155
01:23:23,990 --> 01:23:21,760
the rugs all of that stuff right so

2156
01:23:25,669 --> 01:23:24,000
so i i write my book on it and i'm

2157
01:23:28,470 --> 01:23:25,679
totally convinced

2158
01:23:29,189 --> 01:23:28,480
and i think a lot of the cases a lot of

2159
01:23:30,709 --> 01:23:29,199
the

2160
01:23:32,390 --> 01:23:30,719
contact

2161
01:23:35,110 --> 01:23:32,400
i don't think they're alien you know

2162
01:23:36,550 --> 01:23:35,120
some travis is alien but i think the

2163
01:23:38,950 --> 01:23:36,560
abduction part and this whole

2164
01:23:42,470 --> 01:23:38,960
hybridization i think that

2165
01:23:44,950 --> 01:23:42,480
the demonic answer is just as plausible

2166
01:23:46,550 --> 01:23:44,960
as anything the ancient alien guys say

2167
01:23:48,629 --> 01:23:46,560
and that's a tough thing for people to

2168
01:23:50,709 --> 01:23:48,639
accept they don't want to hear that you

2169
01:23:51,990 --> 01:23:50,719
know that's what our uh our big name

2170
01:23:53,590 --> 01:23:52,000
professionals we've been chatting with

2171
01:23:55,430 --> 01:23:53,600
lately are saying that it used to be

2172
01:23:57,669 --> 01:23:55,440
just nuts and bolts ufos now it's

2173
01:23:59,350 --> 01:23:57,679
poltergeists and cryptids and yeah

2174
01:24:01,030 --> 01:23:59,360
everything you thought was just science

2175
01:24:03,189 --> 01:24:01,040
fiction

2176
01:24:05,430 --> 01:24:03,199
yeah the hitchhiker effect and that's

2177
01:24:06,790 --> 01:24:05,440
more poltergeist than aliens i'm glad

2178
01:24:09,310 --> 01:24:06,800
you're hearing that because when i

2179
01:24:13,350 --> 01:24:09,320
started talking about this in

2180
01:24:16,070 --> 01:24:13,360
2014 and you know really in 14 my whole

2181
01:24:18,470 --> 01:24:16,080
mindset changed where i was a firm

2182
01:24:21,189 --> 01:24:18,480
believer and i gave some of the best

2183
01:24:23,510 --> 01:24:21,199
case for ufos i mean i wrote this book

2184
01:24:26,149 --> 01:24:23,520
here case for ufos

2185
01:24:28,870 --> 01:24:26,159
i think it should be a manual for mufon

2186
01:24:31,270 --> 01:24:28,880
with all the cases and the history and

2187
01:24:32,310 --> 01:24:31,280
all of that but then i started taking a

2188
01:24:35,510 --> 01:24:32,320
look

2189
01:24:37,830 --> 01:24:35,520
at the uh at the religious view of it

2190
01:24:39,590 --> 01:24:37,840
and why what would you know like people

2191
01:24:41,910 --> 01:24:39,600
say what would jesus do well i say what

2192
01:24:43,750 --> 01:24:41,920
would satan do you know and and i think

2193
01:24:46,709 --> 01:24:43,760
a lot of this is so i'm glad to hear i'm

2194
01:24:49,669 --> 01:24:46,719
not the only one although that theory

2195
01:24:51,430 --> 01:24:49,679
had died out for years with john keel

2196
01:24:53,830 --> 01:24:51,440
and ballet and

2197
01:24:55,669 --> 01:24:53,840
i think when i came out and started

2198
01:24:58,470 --> 01:24:55,679
saying it a lot of other people started

2199
01:25:01,110 --> 01:24:58,480
listening you know and i know with mufon

2200
01:25:04,390 --> 01:25:01,120
uh the head of the abduction research

2201
01:25:07,350 --> 01:25:04,400
the ert team doc medic he used to be a

2202
01:25:10,390 --> 01:25:07,360
field investigator for me he teaches in

2203
01:25:12,550 --> 01:25:10,400
his class to the investigators there who

2204
01:25:15,750 --> 01:25:12,560
do the abduction research

2205
01:25:19,030 --> 01:25:15,760
i gave him the markers and he tells them

2206
01:25:22,070 --> 01:25:19,040
about my case and how it started at the

2207
01:25:23,990 --> 01:25:22,080
mufon symposium and how the whole thing

2208
01:25:26,310 --> 01:25:24,000
progressed and how i was able to repel

2209
01:25:30,070 --> 01:25:26,320
it how joe jordan has found all these

2210
01:25:32,229 --> 01:25:30,080
cases that can repel the abduction so

2211
01:25:34,229 --> 01:25:32,239
you know i'm glad that he's using that

2212
01:25:35,669 --> 01:25:34,239
you know and uh

2213
01:25:37,430 --> 01:25:35,679
that's the way i see it i see it with a

2214
01:25:39,830 --> 01:25:37,440
different set of eyes now

2215
01:25:42,149 --> 01:25:39,840
it's i'm not the true believer i used to

2216
01:25:43,910 --> 01:25:42,159
be but i don't question what the people

2217
01:25:45,990 --> 01:25:43,920
say because it did happen

2218
01:25:48,709 --> 01:25:46,000
they experienced what they experienced

2219
01:25:51,110 --> 01:25:48,719
but we have never been able to explain

2220
01:25:53,030 --> 01:25:51,120
why or who's doing it on any of these

2221
01:25:54,390 --> 01:25:53,040
cases you know

2222
01:25:56,790 --> 01:25:54,400
you know and that's the thing too about

2223
01:25:58,470 --> 01:25:56,800
the abduction phenomenon is that it is

2224
01:25:59,430 --> 01:25:58,480
strange everybody seems to have these

2225
01:26:01,910 --> 01:25:59,440
different

2226
01:26:03,590 --> 01:26:01,920
variations of what takes place there are

2227
01:26:05,510 --> 01:26:03,600
some common

2228
01:26:06,950 --> 01:26:05,520
features that that you know or themes

2229
01:26:09,110 --> 01:26:06,960
that reoccur

2230
01:26:10,709 --> 01:26:09,120
but yeah it is strange and is one

2231
01:26:12,709 --> 01:26:10,719
subject that we haven't really covered

2232
01:26:13,430 --> 01:26:12,719
much i know that spirituality is very

2233
01:26:15,669 --> 01:26:13,440
much

2234
01:26:18,310 --> 01:26:15,679
coming into play when it comes down to

2235
01:26:21,110 --> 01:26:18,320
uaps like you know people saying

2236
01:26:23,510 --> 01:26:21,120
uh ce5 you know contact

2237
01:26:25,750 --> 01:26:23,520
and more spiritual people are able to to

2238
01:26:27,750 --> 01:26:25,760
somehow communicate or something with

2239
01:26:30,070 --> 01:26:27,760
these it's the open-mindedness right

2240
01:26:32,229 --> 01:26:30,080
right even if you relate that to ancient

2241
01:26:33,590 --> 01:26:32,239
cultures with sort of your third eye and

2242
01:26:36,149 --> 01:26:33,600
yeah i even read an article the other

2243
01:26:37,990 --> 01:26:36,159
day that that the pineal gland which is

2244
01:26:38,950 --> 01:26:38,000
just about to say that the pineal gland

2245
01:26:43,590 --> 01:26:38,960
yeah

2246
01:26:45,910 --> 01:26:43,600
piezoelectric crystals in that gland so

2247
01:26:48,149 --> 01:26:45,920
meaning it could hold the vibration or

2248
01:26:50,070 --> 01:26:48,159
maybe attract or produce one so there's

2249
01:26:51,910 --> 01:26:50,080
a lot more that we think we know we

2250
01:26:55,110 --> 01:26:51,920
don't have a clue about see this guy

2251
01:26:57,590 --> 01:26:55,120
standing behind me here yeah on my right

2252
01:26:59,590 --> 01:26:57,600
handsome fellow yep yeah do you know the

2253
01:27:02,310 --> 01:26:59,600
first sketch of the gray

2254
01:27:04,229 --> 01:27:02,320
how that came about no

2255
01:27:06,790 --> 01:27:04,239
1918

2256
01:27:10,149 --> 01:27:06,800
alistair crowley the self-proven

2257
01:27:12,390 --> 01:27:10,159
professed antichrist demon worshiper he

2258
01:27:14,709 --> 01:27:12,400
does the ritual of babylon and i don't

2259
01:27:16,070 --> 01:27:14,719
know all the details of it he conjures

2260
01:27:18,870 --> 01:27:16,080
up an entity

2261
01:27:21,030 --> 01:27:18,880
it's a gray with the big head it had

2262
01:27:24,390 --> 01:27:21,040
small eyes didn't have big eyes but it

2263
01:27:26,790 --> 01:27:24,400
was the first gray ever um ever ever

2264
01:27:29,750 --> 01:27:26,800
drawn you know

2265
01:27:31,350 --> 01:27:29,760
so i in that book i wrote the uh i call

2266
01:27:32,709 --> 01:27:31,360
it now the string theory of the

2267
01:27:34,550 --> 01:27:32,719
unexplained

2268
01:27:36,550 --> 01:27:34,560
and i looked at probably

2269
01:27:38,470 --> 01:27:36,560
10 ufo cases

2270
01:27:41,189 --> 01:27:38,480
famous ones and i pointed out all the

2271
01:27:43,750 --> 01:27:41,199
demonic markers to it and all my

2272
01:27:45,669 --> 01:27:43,760
explanations and all of that but

2273
01:27:46,470 --> 01:27:45,679
i have all of this stuff in the book all

2274
01:27:48,310 --> 01:27:46,480
the

2275
01:27:51,669 --> 01:27:48,320
oddities that point

2276
01:27:53,189 --> 01:27:51,679
to me more that this is a deception

2277
01:27:56,070 --> 01:27:53,199
and a trick

2278
01:27:58,310 --> 01:27:56,080
so we look at the pentagon now all right

2279
01:28:00,229 --> 01:27:58,320
why are they telling us

2280
01:28:04,229 --> 01:28:00,239
the guys that debunked it for all those

2281
01:28:05,910 --> 01:28:04,239
years right who ran mk ultra and i don't

2282
01:28:08,470 --> 01:28:05,920
know if you know about the collins elite

2283
01:28:10,550 --> 01:28:08,480
and operation often and all of that

2284
01:28:13,110 --> 01:28:10,560
right now the same people are telling us

2285
01:28:15,110 --> 01:28:13,120
that they need that ufos are real

2286
01:28:18,070 --> 01:28:15,120
it's a cover story for something else

2287
01:28:19,510 --> 01:28:18,080
you know but colin's elite was a very

2288
01:28:20,310 --> 01:28:19,520
interesting

2289
01:28:24,870 --> 01:28:20,320
uh

2290
01:28:27,189 --> 01:28:24,880
the fbi took a look at alistair crowley

2291
01:28:28,470 --> 01:28:27,199
and uh

2292
01:28:31,030 --> 01:28:28,480
jpl

2293
01:28:32,229 --> 01:28:31,040
uh the guy who found it at parkins

2294
01:28:35,590 --> 01:28:32,239
perkins

2295
01:28:38,470 --> 01:28:35,600
and ray bradbury and uh another famous

2296
01:28:41,110 --> 01:28:38,480
guy and they were investigating him for

2297
01:28:43,910 --> 01:28:41,120
demonic occult activity aleister crowley

2298
01:28:45,350 --> 01:28:43,920
in the u.s they then turned it over to

2299
01:28:51,750 --> 01:28:45,360
the cia

2300
01:28:54,950 --> 01:28:51,760
of uh cia people

2301
01:28:57,830 --> 01:28:54,960
that investigate the paranormal and then

2302
01:29:01,590 --> 01:28:57,840
they started investigating ufos

2303
01:29:05,910 --> 01:29:01,600
down the road their conclusion was there

2304
01:29:08,629 --> 01:29:05,920
are no ufos it's all paranormal activity

2305
01:29:10,709 --> 01:29:08,639
it comes through a dimension and i i got

2306
01:29:12,310 --> 01:29:10,719
to agree with that we

2307
01:29:14,629 --> 01:29:12,320
i i don't say a hundred percent i'm not

2308
01:29:17,830 --> 01:29:14,639
gonna say a hundred percent uh then

2309
01:29:21,270 --> 01:29:17,840
operation often was we try to harness

2310
01:29:23,669 --> 01:29:21,280
the powers of the paranormal with mk

2311
01:29:26,070 --> 01:29:23,679
ultra remote viewing we were trying to

2312
01:29:28,629 --> 01:29:26,080
figure out where sodom hussein was

2313
01:29:31,430 --> 01:29:28,639
hiding that type of stuff so

2314
01:29:33,910 --> 01:29:31,440
we've done all of these things you know

2315
01:29:35,430 --> 01:29:33,920
and so that's why i i say i can't i

2316
01:29:37,030 --> 01:29:35,440
can't trust the government a whole lot

2317
01:29:38,870 --> 01:29:37,040
in what they tell you and what their

2318
01:29:39,669 --> 01:29:38,880
motivation is and what they would do to

2319
01:29:41,910 --> 01:29:39,679
you

2320
01:29:44,629 --> 01:29:41,920
yeah just look at cattle mutilations and

2321
01:29:47,030 --> 01:29:44,639
the my labs and that that stuff happens

2322
01:29:49,430 --> 01:29:47,040
these ranchers are losing you know 20

2323
01:29:51,110 --> 01:29:49,440
head of steer and and 10 you know

2324
01:29:53,830 --> 01:29:51,120
they're losing thousands of dollars and

2325
01:29:54,629 --> 01:29:53,840
they see helicopters nearby

2326
01:29:56,470 --> 01:29:54,639
yeah

2327
01:29:59,110 --> 01:29:56,480
like one one of these bulls are like

2328
01:30:01,350 --> 01:29:59,120
what three grand yeah there was that one

2329
01:30:03,990 --> 01:30:01,360
ranch was it lopez or i don't remember

2330
01:30:05,510 --> 01:30:04,000
the name he lost like 25 head in one one

2331
01:30:07,350 --> 01:30:05,520
clip it was the biggest

2332
01:30:10,390 --> 01:30:07,360
you know one that they they lost the

2333
01:30:12,629 --> 01:30:10,400
most uh steers yeah spontaneous barbecue

2334
01:30:13,590 --> 01:30:12,639
that's what uh would happen after that

2335
01:30:16,550 --> 01:30:13,600
just yeah

2336
01:30:18,870 --> 01:30:16,560
invite everybody over we gotta

2337
01:30:21,510 --> 01:30:18,880
invite the whole county over and do a

2338
01:30:24,070 --> 01:30:21,520
texas barbecue on that stuff but my

2339
01:30:26,229 --> 01:30:24,080
thinking has changed on it but

2340
01:30:28,229 --> 01:30:26,239
you know uh i don't know you know nick

2341
01:30:29,830 --> 01:30:28,239
pope was out here we did the conference

2342
01:30:32,950 --> 01:30:29,840
in philly and they're telling all these

2343
01:30:34,790 --> 01:30:32,960
stories we did a panel and you know and

2344
01:30:37,430 --> 01:30:34,800
i said well hold on a second everybody

2345
01:30:38,950 --> 01:30:37,440
before we get too far out there

2346
01:30:41,590 --> 01:30:38,960
there no

2347
01:30:43,430 --> 01:30:41,600
life has been found yet in outer space i

2348
01:30:45,350 --> 01:30:43,440
believe all the stories

2349
01:30:48,149 --> 01:30:45,360
and i think you're interdimensional but

2350
01:30:50,070 --> 01:30:48,159
we we've only found viruses or bacteria

2351
01:30:52,149 --> 01:30:50,080
we have not found

2352
01:30:54,629 --> 01:30:52,159
any life in space

2353
01:30:56,709 --> 01:30:54,639
it just hasn't happened yet and then you

2354
01:30:59,830 --> 01:30:56,719
know if you read the christian

2355
01:31:03,270 --> 01:30:59,840
version life is only here on this planet

2356
01:31:05,510 --> 01:31:03,280
you know and i said to uh michael heiser

2357
01:31:07,590 --> 01:31:05,520
who's a theologian

2358
01:31:09,510 --> 01:31:07,600
uh and he says to me

2359
01:31:11,510 --> 01:31:09,520
do you think god's a little god or a big

2360
01:31:13,669 --> 01:31:11,520
god i said a big god you think he has a

2361
01:31:15,510 --> 01:31:13,679
budget and i said no he says so he

2362
01:31:16,390 --> 01:31:15,520
created trillions of stars because he

2363
01:31:19,669 --> 01:31:16,400
could

2364
01:31:23,189 --> 01:31:19,679
but he only put life on one and that

2365
01:31:25,189 --> 01:31:23,199
very well may be the truth but there are

2366
01:31:27,669 --> 01:31:25,199
other dimensions

2367
01:31:30,470 --> 01:31:27,679
heaven's a dimension tells the dimension

2368
01:31:33,030 --> 01:31:30,480
the physicists say they're 11 so it's us

2369
01:31:34,310 --> 01:31:33,040
heaven and hell there's still eight more

2370
01:31:35,350 --> 01:31:34,320
and i i

2371
01:31:38,550 --> 01:31:35,360
wonder

2372
01:31:40,629 --> 01:31:38,560
does everything evolve around earth

2373
01:31:42,470 --> 01:31:40,639
and and there's different dimensions you

2374
01:31:45,430 --> 01:31:42,480
know there's different maybe there's a

2375
01:31:47,990 --> 01:31:45,440
dimension where hitler won

2376
01:31:50,070 --> 01:31:48,000
you know and they've got flying saucers

2377
01:31:52,390 --> 01:31:50,080
and maybe they're able to come through

2378
01:31:54,790 --> 01:31:52,400
but it takes so much energy they have to

2379
01:31:56,550 --> 01:31:54,800
just go back i i don't know because a

2380
01:31:59,910 --> 01:31:56,560
lot of them seem to just dissipate or

2381
01:32:02,149 --> 01:31:59,920
they fly away they're gone you know

2382
01:32:04,470 --> 01:32:02,159
the entities that are encountered i

2383
01:32:07,189 --> 01:32:04,480
don't know but you know i'd love there

2384
01:32:08,550 --> 01:32:07,199
to be uh independence day peaceful where

2385
01:32:10,950 --> 01:32:08,560
they show up

2386
01:32:13,110 --> 01:32:10,960
and they tell us the truth you know

2387
01:32:15,590 --> 01:32:13,120
what's going on but you know

2388
01:32:17,830 --> 01:32:15,600
i've done this 24 years

2389
01:32:20,550 --> 01:32:17,840
there's no real proof you know i've got

2390
01:32:22,229 --> 01:32:20,560
my radar and i got my trace evidence

2391
01:32:24,830 --> 01:32:22,239
what is it proof could have been a

2392
01:32:28,149 --> 01:32:24,840
government craft a matter of fact that

2393
01:32:31,270 --> 01:32:28,159
tr3b the the triangular with the three

2394
01:32:33,189 --> 01:32:31,280
lights matched up exactly to the denise

2395
01:32:36,390 --> 01:32:33,199
case i didn't know about it

2396
01:32:38,310 --> 01:32:36,400
in 08 but now i do and it matched up

2397
01:32:42,149 --> 01:32:38,320
perfectly i don't know what the answer

2398
01:32:45,030 --> 01:32:42,159
is and there was a guy uh what's his

2399
01:32:47,590 --> 01:32:45,040
name he put a curse on the field he was

2400
01:32:50,070 --> 01:32:47,600
uh one of the big debunkers i think

2401
01:32:51,430 --> 01:32:50,080
these names have escaped me here on his

2402
01:32:55,590 --> 01:32:51,440
deathbed

2403
01:32:58,870 --> 01:32:55,600
uh philip class right philip k-l-a-s-s

2404
01:33:03,189 --> 01:32:58,880
phil class on his deathbed he said

2405
01:33:06,550 --> 01:33:03,199
you will never know any more about ufos

2406
01:33:09,910 --> 01:33:06,560
than you know today on your deathbed you

2407
01:33:12,950 --> 01:33:09,920
will ask what a real and you will know

2408
01:33:15,830 --> 01:33:12,960
no more on your death bed than i know

2409
01:33:19,189 --> 01:33:15,840
today on my deathbed and you will never

2410
01:33:21,270 --> 01:33:19,199
know the answer to ufos and i i always

2411
01:33:23,430 --> 01:33:21,280
think about that because if it's

2412
01:33:25,910 --> 01:33:23,440
interdimensional

2413
01:33:28,550 --> 01:33:25,920
then maybe you can't really

2414
01:33:30,070 --> 01:33:28,560
get it you can't grab it you know it's

2415
01:33:32,709 --> 01:33:30,080
like a ghost that they has to

2416
01:33:34,629 --> 01:33:32,719
de-materialize it has to go back i don't

2417
01:33:37,030 --> 01:33:34,639
know but it doesn't explain some of the

2418
01:33:39,270 --> 01:33:37,040
crashes that i you know i think the 1936

2419
01:33:41,669 --> 01:33:39,280
one in the black forest was good i think

2420
01:33:43,510 --> 01:33:41,679
that travis walton was good or we're

2421
01:33:45,590 --> 01:33:43,520
just dealing with multiple stuff i don't

2422
01:33:47,830 --> 01:33:45,600
know nice and i don't think i'm ever

2423
01:33:50,149 --> 01:33:47,840
going to know i i think right now it's a

2424
01:33:53,110 --> 01:33:50,159
mystery for all of us i think but that's

2425
01:33:55,350 --> 01:33:53,120
the the fun part of it is to talk to

2426
01:33:57,590 --> 01:33:55,360
people like yourselves

2427
01:33:59,270 --> 01:33:57,600
yeah and i'm the same right and get to

2428
01:34:00,709 --> 01:33:59,280
look at things from a different angle

2429
01:34:02,870 --> 01:34:00,719
and that's really the point of the

2430
01:34:04,629 --> 01:34:02,880
podcast we decided that we're going to

2431
01:34:06,310 --> 01:34:04,639
give everybody a chance to give us you

2432
01:34:07,990 --> 01:34:06,320
know what's your angle on this what's

2433
01:34:09,590 --> 01:34:08,000
you know what's your thoughts on that uh

2434
01:34:11,189 --> 01:34:09,600
louis do you have any final questions

2435
01:34:13,350 --> 01:34:11,199
for our guest today no i just want to

2436
01:34:15,030 --> 01:34:13,360
give a very special thanks to john uh

2437
01:34:17,350 --> 01:34:15,040
it's been very informative we'll have to

2438
01:34:19,430 --> 01:34:17,360
do a part two of this because there's so

2439
01:34:21,270 --> 01:34:19,440
much more knowledge that you've uh asked

2440
01:34:23,350 --> 01:34:21,280
in your career an hour and change

2441
01:34:25,750 --> 01:34:23,360
doesn't really do it justice so yeah go

2442
01:34:27,910 --> 01:34:25,760
to my website johniventry.com my books

2443
01:34:29,430 --> 01:34:27,920
are on kindle and nook i i actually have

2444
01:34:31,510 --> 01:34:29,440
102

2445
01:34:33,510 --> 01:34:31,520
lectures i've done at my house in that

2446
01:34:35,750 --> 01:34:33,520
studio in pittsburgh and they're out

2447
01:34:37,430 --> 01:34:35,760
there everything in the ufo and now

2448
01:34:39,430 --> 01:34:37,440
paranormal stuff they're all out there

2449
01:34:41,189 --> 01:34:39,440
for people and we could talk about

2450
01:34:42,709 --> 01:34:41,199
almost any subject

2451
01:34:44,629 --> 01:34:42,719
well we'll have you back on again one

2452
01:34:47,270 --> 01:34:44,639
day soon and we'll we'll dive into some

2453
01:34:49,030 --> 01:34:47,280
other areas maybe not ufo related per se

2454
01:34:51,030 --> 01:34:49,040
because it is refreshing to get that

2455
01:34:52,550 --> 01:34:51,040
perspective as well so okay so thanks

2456
01:34:54,070 --> 01:34:52,560
again john we loved having you man

2457
01:35:02,310 --> 01:34:54,080
you're welcome back here anytime all

2458
01:35:02,320 --> 01:35:05,470
so